BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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I have not seen a pack hunt on the SLF forum, just on other side
SLF are only wanting to know what BASSA strike wishing staff want to gain
When in the present employment situation out there is desperate, it seems a bad time to rock the boat
As I said in my last post
If staff wanting to strike visit a Job Centre on their next off days, it may focus their mind set
Myself as a SLF in all honesty I only do about three return leisure flights a year only recently using BA and to be honest apart from the leather seats and extra inch Easy Jet were far superiour (as an economy pax)
All the Easy Jet staff were bi lingual (Polish and English) YOUNG and eager to please Never stopped for the whole of the flight All of them boss too
Served meals, then drinks, then DF, then tried to flog scratch cards. then Charity envelopes, issued out daily newspapers, start again with the meals, drinks, DF's
The leather seats on BA are much easier to wipe clean after accidents
It may come as a shock working non stop shoveling coal for six hours like staff in other employment, but the alternative is no employment at all
I can see why BA CC want to keep what they have who would not, but if cuts are not made then there will be no BA so no staff required
The present state of UK economy, means that if you find yourself unemployed then for at least five years you will be destitute
Home gone, and usually this breaks up the family
Arfur Scag tried the bassa technique, how many miners do you know now?
As for the leaders :-)
LORD John Prescot of Hull, a workers leader who would spit on the house of Lords
Head bowed in Ermin taking the queens shilling free grub for life
The working class can kiss my a$$ I have the foremans job at last
Jack McH
SLF are only wanting to know what BASSA strike wishing staff want to gain
When in the present employment situation out there is desperate, it seems a bad time to rock the boat
As I said in my last post
If staff wanting to strike visit a Job Centre on their next off days, it may focus their mind set
Myself as a SLF in all honesty I only do about three return leisure flights a year only recently using BA and to be honest apart from the leather seats and extra inch Easy Jet were far superiour (as an economy pax)
All the Easy Jet staff were bi lingual (Polish and English) YOUNG and eager to please Never stopped for the whole of the flight All of them boss too
Served meals, then drinks, then DF, then tried to flog scratch cards. then Charity envelopes, issued out daily newspapers, start again with the meals, drinks, DF's
The leather seats on BA are much easier to wipe clean after accidents
It may come as a shock working non stop shoveling coal for six hours like staff in other employment, but the alternative is no employment at all
I can see why BA CC want to keep what they have who would not, but if cuts are not made then there will be no BA so no staff required
The present state of UK economy, means that if you find yourself unemployed then for at least five years you will be destitute
Home gone, and usually this breaks up the family
Arfur Scag tried the bassa technique, how many miners do you know now?
As for the leaders :-)
LORD John Prescot of Hull, a workers leader who would spit on the house of Lords
Head bowed in Ermin taking the queens shilling free grub for life
The working class can kiss my a$$ I have the foremans job at last
Jack McH
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I too am SLF who in the past always travelled with BA. But now I will not risk ruining my hard earned holiday because a few greedy senior cc seem to care about nobody but themselves. I have booked with a rival airline and even if BA survive this farce it will be a very long time before I will be confident enough to use them again. Another thing that puts me off is the idea that my safety in an emergency is in the hands of someone who flew long haul to work!
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How will the issue of who is and who is not a member of the union ( Unite ) be resolved? Based on posting on this board many CC who have resigned from Unite are still receiving ballots to vote as if they are members. How many CC are there and how many are members of Unite? Does anybody actually know the answer the question?
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From Duncan's diatribe on that other forum:
From a dictionary:
A distasteful image indeed.
The whole trade union movement is watching our situation with baited breath.
USAGE The spelling baited breath instead of bated breath is a common mistake that, in addition to perpetuating a cliché, evokes a distasteful image.
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...it has taken me a long time to get the hang of moderation on this forum - so different from my 'home' forum - but I have to say FlapsForty in particular has done and is doing a bang up job in a hostile environment. I don't think Watersidewonker, Fume Event, Ava (the Brit in Saffa) have been banned, even though some of their posts have been vanished. Some of mine have. They could, if they chose and were all different people, still come back to offer their point of view. But they don't.
This thread/forum has deliberately been given greater tolerance and latitude in the strictness of moderation than the CC thread, after agreement with all of the CC Forum mods - partly in recognition of the posting restrictions on the CC thread. FYI - this thread is read by a large number of people, including CC than you may be aware of.
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Who in the TU movement do they think is waiting with bated breath? 99% of union members have troubles of their own and really couldn't care less about the BASSA/BA fiasco.
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Poor Duncan
A week or so ago, I was watching my local news on TV when a story came on about Southampton Football Club. Being a brummie 'blue nose' fan I was only mildly interested but I perked up when a Southampton Football Club 'historian' was interviewed. As I was reading my newspaper at the time I did not see the chaps name but I am almost 100% sure it was DH.
Maybe a new career beckons?
Posted this on the other thread before realising I was not allowed - so posting it here as well. p.s. mods - I did work for BA for 17 years
Maybe a new career beckons?
Posted this on the other thread before realising I was not allowed - so posting it here as well. p.s. mods - I did work for BA for 17 years
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"Poor Duncan"
Poor sap more like! The penny appears to have dropped. It would seem that he and his chosen few have brow beaten successive CEO's at BA and got away with murder. Now he has come up against a CEO who knows what he is about and sacked him because he excused himself from work while 'the firm' wanted him flying - must have been in his contract! Then he cries wolf and the law bites his bum.
A salutory lesson for his mates and BASSA. Their teeth are being pulled one by one and with such a lousy result how can Unite support them - and him? This latest ballot may well be the end of BASSA. How PCCC takes their place is a matter of some urgency I would have thought. WW I feel will welcome the change
Good luck to all the CC. You are best out of BASSA and since Holley is still taking his ridiculous rake-off from their subs, LM too I shouldn't wonder. Perhaps it is now time to resign and cut DH and others from their income from your subs.
Poor sap more like! The penny appears to have dropped. It would seem that he and his chosen few have brow beaten successive CEO's at BA and got away with murder. Now he has come up against a CEO who knows what he is about and sacked him because he excused himself from work while 'the firm' wanted him flying - must have been in his contract! Then he cries wolf and the law bites his bum.
A salutory lesson for his mates and BASSA. Their teeth are being pulled one by one and with such a lousy result how can Unite support them - and him? This latest ballot may well be the end of BASSA. How PCCC takes their place is a matter of some urgency I would have thought. WW I feel will welcome the change
Good luck to all the CC. You are best out of BASSA and since Holley is still taking his ridiculous rake-off from their subs, LM too I shouldn't wonder. Perhaps it is now time to resign and cut DH and others from their income from your subs.
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I am a customer of BA._ I have never worked for any airline._ I own a few shares in BA but not enough to warp my judgement._ We are seeing history being made._ Some years ago the current industrial relations laws were altered by those who sat in the House of Commons and discussed this, presumably in committee._ The result of their efforts are the current laws._ The elected members of Parliament had as their guide the history and record of industrial disputes._ But it would not help their discussions that there would be conflicting histories and mismatched records of each of the past industrial disputes._ The MPs then framed the present laws.
This BA/Unite conflict has tested the limits._ It has probably tested the limits much more robustly than any of those MPs could have envisaged._ Several actions in this conflict have been controversial._ There are those who will say that this conflict demonstrates that the laws are biased against Unions, others will say the laws are biased in favour of Unions, others will say the laws are ok._ Nevertheless, history has been made and this historical episode is not over._ How terrible for those individuals who have had their finances or self-esteem bruised.
From an understanding of how industrial action can be allowed to happen in a democratic society - and what bounds and controls are fair or unfair, this conflict will go down in history as a text-book example.
This BA/Unite conflict has tested the limits._ It has probably tested the limits much more robustly than any of those MPs could have envisaged._ Several actions in this conflict have been controversial._ There are those who will say that this conflict demonstrates that the laws are biased against Unions, others will say the laws are biased in favour of Unions, others will say the laws are ok._ Nevertheless, history has been made and this historical episode is not over._ How terrible for those individuals who have had their finances or self-esteem bruised.
From an understanding of how industrial action can be allowed to happen in a democratic society - and what bounds and controls are fair or unfair, this conflict will go down in history as a text-book example.
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Just to explain...
Dear Tight Slot,
I use the soubriquet "that other forum" as an allusion. In The House of Commons, The House of Lords is always referred to as "that other place." Seems apt, somehow.
I also think that the PPRuNe Mods do a great job, under sometimes very trying conditions. Hat doffed (showing my balding pate!)
I use the soubriquet "that other forum" as an allusion. In The House of Commons, The House of Lords is always referred to as "that other place." Seems apt, somehow.
I also think that the PPRuNe Mods do a great job, under sometimes very trying conditions. Hat doffed (showing my balding pate!)
One wonders..............
One of the lines allegedly written by the bassa branch sec is as follows....
" We simply cannot have BA dictating to us how and when our important union work should be done."
Wow!!
Clearly this individual has never worked in the real world. I've worked in heavy industry, fmcg, the service sector (transportation) and in Aviation. In all of those companies, (bar one) there was heavy unionisation. In every company, a representative had to obtain permission from the company to leave their place of work to do "union business". No means "NO".
The union members pay their money to be represented by Full Time Officials, employed by the Union. They are called in when the local rep.can't deal with an issue. In my experience, it has never been the job of an employee/rep. to decide not to work, but to do Union business.
If the expressed view of this branch sec. is the view of the bassa reps, then I hate to think what they'll do when they start working for a company in the real world.
If the BA managers in the past have allowed/condoned/encouraged this behaviour, then shame on them.
" We simply cannot have BA dictating to us how and when our important union work should be done."
Wow!!
Clearly this individual has never worked in the real world. I've worked in heavy industry, fmcg, the service sector (transportation) and in Aviation. In all of those companies, (bar one) there was heavy unionisation. In every company, a representative had to obtain permission from the company to leave their place of work to do "union business". No means "NO".
The union members pay their money to be represented by Full Time Officials, employed by the Union. They are called in when the local rep.can't deal with an issue. In my experience, it has never been the job of an employee/rep. to decide not to work, but to do Union business.
If the expressed view of this branch sec. is the view of the bassa reps, then I hate to think what they'll do when they start working for a company in the real world.
If the BA managers in the past have allowed/condoned/encouraged this behaviour, then shame on them.
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A Question
A number of posts here and in/on that other place have referred to the branch sec of bassa personally receiving 3% of all payments made by BA CC to their TU.
Can anyone verify this, or is it just rumour?
Can anyone verify this, or is it just rumour?
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Does UK employment law allow a company to ask for an official audit (or conduct it themselves with their employees) to assure themselves that a union is certified (has 50%+1) to represent the group?
CAC - Schedule A1 (Part I)
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Statutory derecognition of a trade union - derecognition ballots | Flexible Support for Business Wales
I know it's Wales, but the law is the same and the Welsh web page is easier to find things in...!
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From that other forum, it transpires the Duncan is the part-time historian for Southampton Football Club. Strangely enough, it seems that there is no love lost between DH and the Chairman of the Club, Rupert Lowe. The quote below is taken from an open letter written By DH to Southampton FC in 2006:
There seems to be a common thread here of locking horns with authority. Was DH bullied at school? I think we should be told.
I think Rupert Lowe to be a first class bully and I also regard him as an autocratic egotist. Furthermore I think his destructive presence is very harmful to the future well being of our club.
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Some do, then the pack hunt starts if they post an opinion against the thread bias. Then they are reported and a thread ban is requested.
I don't believe any reasonable individual can have too much objection to the moderation of this site. Many of us, myself included, have been sent to the corner at one time or another to rethink our approach. However, my observation is that great patience is taken by the moderators to apply an even hand and obvious effort is made to stay engaged with this forum so that SLF can continue to exchange ideas, information and observations. Without appropriate moderation I doubt the forum decorum would stay at a level that many of us would wish to continue to engage in.
Yes, it is unfortunate that we have to bring our own cocktails and sometimes I do wish they would serve some nice warm appetizers (and I'm not even going to bring up the rather hurtful dismissal of my suggested strike questions. While I will admit that after two VT's I will find some things amusing when in the morning I may go "What was I thinking?", but it still hurt
and I'm seeking counseling to provide me with the ability to move on.)All in all I think that rather than take this forum for granted we should rather be saying "Thank you" to the moderators from time to time.
If they ever tire of the extra time it takes to oversee this forum along with their other duties and simply close the thread I'm not aware of one other place I could go that would provide the sort of right-middle-left views, information and lively exchange that is received here.
So, Moderators..."Thank you"
I think Rupert Lowe to be a first class bully and I also regard him as an autocratic egotist. Furthermore I think his destructive presence is very harmful to the future well being of our club.
thank you paxboy.....
I wonder if any of the other readers of this thread who agree and are qualified would care to copy some of it into the "other thread" - much as I would like to, I can't comment there myself, not being a current employee now.......
I wonder if any of the other readers of this thread who agree and are qualified would care to copy some of it into the "other thread" - much as I would like to, I can't comment there myself, not being a current employee now.......
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DH v Rupert Lowe
A bit off thread but a tenuous link: Rupert Lowe was voted off the board a few years back, altho' I cant see DH's contribution being anything to do with the Chairman's removal.
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Baggers, Non-Union members didnt vote as such, they simply signed in acceptance of the terms being offered. As I understand it (happy to be corrected) for them, thats that, job done.
Certainly my partner hopes thats the case, she's had more than enough and just wants to go to work and do a decent job, the sooner BASSA allow her the better, is her view.
Certainly my partner hopes thats the case, she's had more than enough and just wants to go to work and do a decent job, the sooner BASSA allow her the better, is her view.
