BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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By making the Union membership date the same day of release is even better. As Diplome said, it now forces BASSA members to stand up and tell their union they want ths deal.
If BASSA don't put this offer to their members I predict a large number of resignations. The offer is there for everyone to see, no cloak and dagger theories or room to create conspiracies.
It would indeed be funny if none union members had better working contracts than none union members..and they would only have themselves to blame.
If BASSA don't put this offer to their members I predict a large number of resignations. The offer is there for everyone to see, no cloak and dagger theories or room to create conspiracies.
It would indeed be funny if none union members had better working contracts than none union members..and they would only have themselves to blame.
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If BASSA don't put this offer to their members I predict a large number of resignations. The offer is there for everyone to see, no cloak and dagger theories or room to create conspiracies.
A number of people have resigned, but the floodgates have not opened yet, despite BA making offers.
If non BASSA members accept the deal and have superior T&C's, this will just add to the sense of martydom.
I take the view that there are probably quite a lot of CC who strongly dislike the management of BA and are prepared to "stick it up them" by voting for IA and then come to work out of necessity.
Their 'payoff' is seeing the company finances hit.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a BASSA supporter.
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I think that BA had to put the union membership date as 25 June. They are prohibited from offering a benefit to employees to induce them to leave a union. Making an offer that is capable of direct acceptance by non-members would - as shown by the comments on this thread - clearly be a potential inducement.
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Betty girl on the CC forum...
How on earth as a society are we going to be able to cope in say 50 years time when most of the population have been squashed onto these minimum wages and not made any pension provisions. While some in our society are getting richer and richer. It is almost like we are going backwards as a society and the general worker is getting poorer and suposed to be grateful that they have a job.
Anyway as you probably know I did not agree with the strike, I'm not a militant or left winger either but comments about people should be happy or feel lucky because there are lots that would like their job etc. just seem short sighted. As a society we should all be striving for everyone having a good living and a comfortable life. Not actually enjoying others misfortune.
Anyway as you probably know I did not agree with the strike, I'm not a militant or left winger either but comments about people should be happy or feel lucky because there are lots that would like their job etc. just seem short sighted. As a society we should all be striving for everyone having a good living and a comfortable life. Not actually enjoying others misfortune.
As an individual though in employment, with a well respected employer, I would be gobsmacked if you have the individual means to manouvere, that you did not take up this offer. As an individual, what is your alternative? If you are tied to Bassa... Who knows where you might end up.
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Isn't it about time that the strikers got real.
I have been watching developments and it seems to me that most cc just want to get back to work and provide the good service that is normally provided.
An offer of an annual increse (even if only for 2 years) is more than most people will be getting. Many people in the public sector will not even have a job in 6 months and even if they don't lose their job pay will be frozen.
My wife works in a call centre for a major bank and has just been told along with several hundred others that her job is going to India - this will cause real hardship to many - not so bad for us as I have retired but my wife has not. How is that for a kick in the teeth - we bail out the banks and they ship our jobs to India. This makes BA look like employer of the year.
Sorry for that rant .
If this keeps on much longer all of the respect that has been built up over the years for cc will be lost, I know it is not all of cc but it is hard to be reasonable when the holiday you have saved for all year is being affected . It is also obvious that the timing of IA is meant to cause as much misery as possible.
I am due to fly with BA for the first time in September and was really looking forward to it but there is still a worry that IA might affect it. The flight was booked last October befre this all kicked off. I would probably have flown Virgin if I had known.
Just do what is right and end it asap.
I have been watching developments and it seems to me that most cc just want to get back to work and provide the good service that is normally provided.
An offer of an annual increse (even if only for 2 years) is more than most people will be getting. Many people in the public sector will not even have a job in 6 months and even if they don't lose their job pay will be frozen.
My wife works in a call centre for a major bank and has just been told along with several hundred others that her job is going to India - this will cause real hardship to many - not so bad for us as I have retired but my wife has not. How is that for a kick in the teeth - we bail out the banks and they ship our jobs to India. This makes BA look like employer of the year.
Sorry for that rant .
If this keeps on much longer all of the respect that has been built up over the years for cc will be lost, I know it is not all of cc but it is hard to be reasonable when the holiday you have saved for all year is being affected . It is also obvious that the timing of IA is meant to cause as much misery as possible.
I am due to fly with BA for the first time in September and was really looking forward to it but there is still a worry that IA might affect it. The flight was booked last October befre this all kicked off. I would probably have flown Virgin if I had known.
Just do what is right and end it asap.
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Navel gazing
The CC on the other forum are acting like public service workers, sqabbling over meal allowances & payment guarantees, even when they're stuck at home on their fat backsides.
I don't think that any of them are living in the real world. It's time they woke up to what the rest of the world is suffering.
I don't think that any of them are living in the real world. It's time they woke up to what the rest of the world is suffering.
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Teesider53:
If your flight is a long haul I wouldn't stress too much. BA is stating they will accomplish 100% of their long haul flights in the event of another strike and so far they have delivered on each of their promises.
BA seems to be attempting to handle this in the most productive way possible while still not leaving the airline open to threats from a small militant band of light thinkers. The latest offer shows that they are trying to address concerns of staff and I for one am not willing to withdraw my support when the airline is doing the right thing.
Hope all works out well for your flight.
If your flight is a long haul I wouldn't stress too much. BA is stating they will accomplish 100% of their long haul flights in the event of another strike and so far they have delivered on each of their promises.
BA seems to be attempting to handle this in the most productive way possible while still not leaving the airline open to threats from a small militant band of light thinkers. The latest offer shows that they are trying to address concerns of staff and I for one am not willing to withdraw my support when the airline is doing the right thing.
Hope all works out well for your flight.
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Thnks for that Diplome - we are going long haul but there is also a connecting BA flight from Newcastle.
It's nice to see that people still care enough to offer information ,help and advice to total strangers. I hope for all the decent cc that the issue is soon resolved and that BA can get back to normal.
It's nice to see that people still care enough to offer information ,help and advice to total strangers. I hope for all the decent cc that the issue is soon resolved and that BA can get back to normal.
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It amazes me that some individuals think that they can dictate terms. From the main CC board by Ava Hannah:
The objection to the individual offers to non-BASSA members is interesting. Could it be that BASSA is feeling some heat as they no longer control the fate of their non-members.
Does this individual truly think that BA is going to come to a halt if her staff travel is not returned? Does she truly think that her staff travel with seniority is going to be returned? Perhaps she would be wise to apply with other airlines that will cover her commute from Johannesburg and have no problem with her attempts to bring her airline down.
Unless Staff Travel is given back, I am not bothered with this new proposal. They can stuff it. I commute from JNB and I can't wait for years until the Staff Travel issue appears in the European Courts.
They have replaced MTP with a 'top-up payment' which includes a no strike clause. That itself indicates that you will lose a huge amount of your pay if you take industrial action. A two year pay rise? Are BA trying to bribe us to accept a proposal? They have also based the top-up payment, which is £1500 less than the MTP in previous proposals, on last year and this year's schedule which includes three industrial actions and the ash volcano incident. Either way, MFH is going to take all of our lucrative routes and we will have to rely on a silly top-up payment. I don't even want to think of how long it is going to last before they rip that up.
Why did they send out the proposal on a Friday night? And individual offers? BA are trying to divide us even further. Nice try. Sorry Bill Francis and Willie Walsh. Unless you give my Staff Travel back with my original seniority, which I think I have earned after 17 years of continuous service with BA, I am not interested. You could offer me all the money in the world, I still wouldn't take it unless Staff Travel is given back.
They have replaced MTP with a 'top-up payment' which includes a no strike clause. That itself indicates that you will lose a huge amount of your pay if you take industrial action. A two year pay rise? Are BA trying to bribe us to accept a proposal? They have also based the top-up payment, which is £1500 less than the MTP in previous proposals, on last year and this year's schedule which includes three industrial actions and the ash volcano incident. Either way, MFH is going to take all of our lucrative routes and we will have to rely on a silly top-up payment. I don't even want to think of how long it is going to last before they rip that up.
Why did they send out the proposal on a Friday night? And individual offers? BA are trying to divide us even further. Nice try. Sorry Bill Francis and Willie Walsh. Unless you give my Staff Travel back with my original seniority, which I think I have earned after 17 years of continuous service with BA, I am not interested. You could offer me all the money in the world, I still wouldn't take it unless Staff Travel is given back.
Does this individual truly think that BA is going to come to a halt if her staff travel is not returned? Does she truly think that her staff travel with seniority is going to be returned? Perhaps she would be wise to apply with other airlines that will cover her commute from Johannesburg and have no problem with her attempts to bring her airline down.
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I don't think that any of them are living in the real world. It's time they woke up to what the rest of the world is suffering.
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RE The new offer....
My partner is very pleased she left the union right after the 12 days of Christmas action. She is being told that she isnt alone...some very happy crew about that jumped, some that remained, not so happy as they have to rely on BASSA making a choice for them now - oh dear..!
My partner is very pleased she left the union right after the 12 days of Christmas action. She is being told that she isnt alone...some very happy crew about that jumped, some that remained, not so happy as they have to rely on BASSA making a choice for them now - oh dear..!
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Pleased to see that her decision worked out for her. It could not have been an easy one.
Amazing that right now the individuals who have the most power over their career path are the one's who DO NOT belong to BASSA.
Fincastle, while I'm pleased you agree with me that is not my quote.
Pleased to see that her decision worked out for her. It could not have been an easy one.
Amazing that right now the individuals who have the most power over their career path are the one's who DO NOT belong to BASSA.
Fincastle, while I'm pleased you agree with me that is not my quote.
How do you commute from Johannesburg? It must be both expensive and time consuming? Lots of spare time?
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Hard to find sympathy for someone who commutes from Johannesburg. It's a perk, they could have removed it at any time. They were warned of the consequences of striking.
Also Betty's Girl needs to get into the real world. There are plenty of people who earn what CC will be earning on these new contracts or less and are based in London. Yeah you can't buy a house but who can these days? I bought my house ten years ago. I couldn't afford to buy it now and I'm earning more than double what I was earning when I bought it.
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How do you commute from Johannesburg? It must be both expensive and time consuming? Lots of spare time?
And hopefully you then take sufficient rest before commencing your period of duty.
And hopefully you then take sufficient rest before commencing your period of duty.
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As a 40 year service retiree if I apply and get a ST ticket to say America should I wear my flameproof / heatproof underwear for the trips "Sorry about the hot coffee in your lap sir" and be prepared for " everything is off " food wise and be aware of "why should you have St and not me" attitude . I have always enjoyed the friendliness and professionalism of the cabin crew when ever I've flown please keep it that way.
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I have no sympathy for crew who are commuting from Johannesburg and have lost their staff travel for going on strike. They are definitely not suffering financially and probably not on a full-time contract either.
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Winch Control,
If you want to quote me at least quote all of my post.
If you had read all my posts you would know that I am a hardworking crew member who supported BA through the strike. I do not support BASSA and am not a Labour supporter. I have worked for BA for 22 years and am an experienced E/F Purser and I am happy to accept this new offer.
The post you quoted was a general observation of the problems we as a society will have if wages are forsed down and young people are no longer able to put money into pensions. It was not about BA per say. It is the vast number of people with the right to work in the EU that is causing employers to be able to pay people 11K a year. The cost of living is actually going up especially in the south and around London. It was merely an observation of what is happening to the UK job market and how people in the city are scoffing in the troff while ordinary people are being told how lucky they are to have a job. Not specifically about BA and not in support of BASSA.
Thank you.
I feel you have quoted my comments completely out of context.
If you want to quote me at least quote all of my post.
If you had read all my posts you would know that I am a hardworking crew member who supported BA through the strike. I do not support BASSA and am not a Labour supporter. I have worked for BA for 22 years and am an experienced E/F Purser and I am happy to accept this new offer.
The post you quoted was a general observation of the problems we as a society will have if wages are forsed down and young people are no longer able to put money into pensions. It was not about BA per say. It is the vast number of people with the right to work in the EU that is causing employers to be able to pay people 11K a year. The cost of living is actually going up especially in the south and around London. It was merely an observation of what is happening to the UK job market and how people in the city are scoffing in the troff while ordinary people are being told how lucky they are to have a job. Not specifically about BA and not in support of BASSA.
Thank you.
I feel you have quoted my comments completely out of context.