BA scrap meals(except breakfast!)
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mr Greens, you are asking a personal question to which the answer clearly falls outside my moderator remit.
But since it is an easy one, I´ll answer it
I pax about 4 to 8 flights a month, and have done so for the past 20 years.
I can´t remember the last time I felt the urge to, or actually did consume alcohol on board an aircraft.
I´d take neither of your options and have my usual of water or coke light.
But since it is an easy one, I´ll answer it
I pax about 4 to 8 flights a month, and have done so for the past 20 years.
I can´t remember the last time I felt the urge to, or actually did consume alcohol on board an aircraft.
I´d take neither of your options and have my usual of water or coke light.
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3 Greens,
I recall the LH F/A, with her attitude, telling me that I was not allowed but without providing reasonable explanation, I won't describe the attitude I was subjected to but if you consider the nationality of a LH F/A them I'm sure you can imagine! Offered a second beer from the bar? You must be joking
On the other hand, I did a number of flights with Swiss last year, their cabin service, and friendliness of the crew, is something to be applauded. On one particular flight, as the duty free's came round, I had intended to buy my cigarettes from my accumulated LH points but got into a banter with the F/A that I had left my LH card at home and, continuing the banter, she gave me her Swiss company pen to remind me not to forget my card next time.
A while later she was passing thru the cabin and, continuing the banter, I asked her if I could swap her pen for another can of beer, she told me that I could keep the pen whilst she nipped off and fetched me another beer ..... and all with a smile.
But when KLM totally withdrew alcohol from their economy class, and forbid passengers to consume their own, what planet were KLM on? It came as a shock when I ordered a beer to be told they do not serve alcohol and when I was bolloxed for consuming my own I questioned the F/A is we were on a muslim flight or not.
I recall the LH F/A, with her attitude, telling me that I was not allowed but without providing reasonable explanation, I won't describe the attitude I was subjected to but if you consider the nationality of a LH F/A them I'm sure you can imagine! Offered a second beer from the bar? You must be joking
On the other hand, I did a number of flights with Swiss last year, their cabin service, and friendliness of the crew, is something to be applauded. On one particular flight, as the duty free's came round, I had intended to buy my cigarettes from my accumulated LH points but got into a banter with the F/A that I had left my LH card at home and, continuing the banter, she gave me her Swiss company pen to remind me not to forget my card next time.
A while later she was passing thru the cabin and, continuing the banter, I asked her if I could swap her pen for another can of beer, she told me that I could keep the pen whilst she nipped off and fetched me another beer ..... and all with a smile.
But when KLM totally withdrew alcohol from their economy class, and forbid passengers to consume their own, what planet were KLM on? It came as a shock when I ordered a beer to be told they do not serve alcohol and when I was bolloxed for consuming my own I questioned the F/A is we were on a muslim flight or not.
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All that restricting alcohol, indeed enforing an alcohol ban, on board the aircraft is likely to achieve is to persuade passengers to, perhaps, get plastered in the airport bar before boarding!
But, as this thread was about, it's about an airline(s) offering a quality of service that persuades passengers to travel with them again and, in this respect, I have my preferences of airlines that operate from BHX, particulary Swiss and SAS. Based on my mentioned incidents with LH and KLM dissuades me from opting for them in preference to others so let them restrict alcohol, ban alcohol, adopt their attitude problems because passengers will vote with their bookings as they did when KLM banned alcohol.
But, as this thread was about, it's about an airline(s) offering a quality of service that persuades passengers to travel with them again and, in this respect, I have my preferences of airlines that operate from BHX, particulary Swiss and SAS. Based on my mentioned incidents with LH and KLM dissuades me from opting for them in preference to others so let them restrict alcohol, ban alcohol, adopt their attitude problems because passengers will vote with their bookings as they did when KLM banned alcohol.
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BA Cityflier Food
I'm happy to report that the service on BA Cityflier into/out of LCY has always been reasonable when I've had cause to use it. Only problem with getting served a second drink is if the cc got to you well into the flight and so there wasn't time to get a second drink (not that I'm a raging alcoholic - infact I only have a drink a minority of occassions). Anyway, if at the front I've had no probs getting a bottle(ette) of wine followed up by a G&T (say) later on. Don't suppose there'll be any more of that though what with the cost/service cutting that's about to take place.
P.S. I was sitting next to some Swiss pax recently (EDI-LCY) and noticed they stuffed their sandwiches into the seat pouch. Not sure if that was because they didn't fancy them or they were saving them as an extra special treat. I'm guessing the former on balance though.
P.S. I was sitting next to some Swiss pax recently (EDI-LCY) and noticed they stuffed their sandwiches into the seat pouch. Not sure if that was because they didn't fancy them or they were saving them as an extra special treat. I'm guessing the former on balance though.
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BA scrap meals (except breakfast)
Oh dear, and all these years I assumed that the real purpose of serving food (or what passes for food)/something to drink to the SLF was NOT to contribute to their inflight comfort but merely to keep them locked down in the seat for the duration. If BA scraps the "service", what on earth will they do with the pax? 
Anybody else of the same opinion?
Anybody else of the same opinion?
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Let me set you a little scenario.
You are a pax on a 3 hour flight, where the service in your cabin includes an open bar.
The cabin crew decide to implement industrial action and withold the bar service completely. They announce this after takeoff, so you do not have the option of changing to another airline.
You have your own duty free vodka with you.
Do you either
(a) replace the three mini bottles of wine that you would normally take with three small glasses of your own vodka, relaxe, enjoy the flight and write it down to experience
or
(b) drink only soft drinks and then sue the airline for breach of contract?
You are a pax on a 3 hour flight, where the service in your cabin includes an open bar.
The cabin crew decide to implement industrial action and withold the bar service completely. They announce this after takeoff, so you do not have the option of changing to another airline.
You have your own duty free vodka with you.
Do you either
(a) replace the three mini bottles of wine that you would normally take with three small glasses of your own vodka, relaxe, enjoy the flight and write it down to experience
or
(b) drink only soft drinks and then sue the airline for breach of contract?
The conditions of carriage do not permit you to consume alcohol that has not been served to you by the cabin crew.
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BA's meals ( except breakfast)
I'm sorry to be playing catch up here but re food and BA shorthaul it's been a long time since anyone could describe the dried slices of bread and eclectic mix of fillings as food. The FAs even look apologetic when tendering these meagre offerings and paper cups of weak tea/coffee/tea? As M&S now inhabit most good airports you can usually buy a much better snack before you travel.
I've noticed my cat behaving in a similar fashion - after using his litter tray. What eslse would you do with them? Keep them on you knee until you hand them back ?
And, actually I think the breakfast is just the same. Removing that from the menu would be a welcome addition to air safety,IMHO - and probably save NHS millions in coronary care.
PS sorry, misread this thread. thought you were decribing the food as cr*p.
Swiss pax recently (EDI-LCY) and noticed they stuffed their sandwiches into the seat pouch.
And, actually I think the breakfast is just the same. Removing that from the menu would be a welcome addition to air safety,IMHO - and probably save NHS millions in coronary care.
PS sorry, misread this thread. thought you were decribing the food as cr*p.
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Flight Attendants who have flown for more than 3 months have all experienced first hand the endless amount of trouble caused by some clever passenger surreptitiously drinking their own booze on-board.
Confirmed by an incident I witnessed which occurred on a flight from AMS - DXB with KL.
One pax was caught red handed drinking his airport purchased duty free whisky (nearly a full bottle) and who was obviously 'well refreshed'. He became abusive and agitated when a member of the cabin crew remonstrated with him to the point he got out of his seat and I thought there was going to be a serious confrontation. This guy was well built and I feared for the cabin crew who were attempting to deal with him.
Fortunately, the two members of the CC were assisted by another colleague who did not mess about. He was able to restrain the unruly pax (in a crude but effective manner I might add) and his remaining alcohol was confiscated. The crew did a great job, however, people should not have to be threatened or abused while doing their work - policies and procedures are there to reduce the risks of such occurrences.
The drinking of alcohol on an aircraft will always be a contentious issue, and for the majority, there is no problem and is an enjoyable part of the flying experience and I sympathise with the staff that have to enforce their respective employer’s policy to the people who believe they are exempt from complying.
It is a difficult one, but rules, policies and regulations are there for a reason - if one does not like a particular airlines policy, then use another carrier - if that option does not exist, then it is a case of well.......Tough!
Oh, by the way, on landing at DXB, the drunken passenger who managed to sleep for the rest of the flight had a rude awakening when two members of the Dubai Constabulary carted the miscreant off to the local nick.
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e.g. On RBA flights the cc quite happily chill duty free wine and supply mixers to duty free spirits carried on board. (Admittedly I haven't flown RBA for a good few years).
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I would be interested to see you reference for the assertion that duty free goods cannot be opened until customs are cleared at destination.
My understanding was it could not be opened until exported from the country where purchased, although I have never seen this rule enforced and I've been travelling since 1978 on business.
So a reference would be appreciated.
I would be interested to see you reference for the assertion that duty free goods cannot be opened until customs are cleared at destination.
My understanding was it could not be opened until exported from the country where purchased, although I have never seen this rule enforced and I've been travelling since 1978 on business.
So a reference would be appreciated.
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And Glamgirl,
I was referencing travelling within the EU wereas there is no tax/duty free.
With regards to the whisky incident, and indeed I needed to become involved in the overpowering of a drunk pax, whilst I was a staff pax, in my younger years there is a bit of difference between a litre of whisky and a can or two of beer. Were one to take on, and attempt to drink, a slab of 24 beers then I would agree with these not being drunk 100% but we are talking about a can or two of beer here, it's hardly the crime of the century, and it all comes about because the airlines are restricting their complimentary alcohol, I don't have any such problems on airlines where food & drink are paid for, absolutely no problem for the cabin crew to serve two or three beers.
Earlier this year I was travelling back to UK from LED with Austrian, on the F70 between LED and VIE there must have only been 20 or so pax, upon boarding I got in to a banter with the C/C if, because it was so empty, I could change seat etc.
When the steward, later, brought the drinks around he offered me a choice of two brands of beers, selecting one brand he joked with me that I could try the other brand when he comes round again, I had a can of Russian beer (that had been left over from my stay in LED) in my bag, I showed it to him joking that I'd be trying that brand also, he had absolutely no problem with me drinking my own can of beer.
I was referencing travelling within the EU wereas there is no tax/duty free.
With regards to the whisky incident, and indeed I needed to become involved in the overpowering of a drunk pax, whilst I was a staff pax, in my younger years there is a bit of difference between a litre of whisky and a can or two of beer. Were one to take on, and attempt to drink, a slab of 24 beers then I would agree with these not being drunk 100% but we are talking about a can or two of beer here, it's hardly the crime of the century, and it all comes about because the airlines are restricting their complimentary alcohol, I don't have any such problems on airlines where food & drink are paid for, absolutely no problem for the cabin crew to serve two or three beers.
Earlier this year I was travelling back to UK from LED with Austrian, on the F70 between LED and VIE there must have only been 20 or so pax, upon boarding I got in to a banter with the C/C if, because it was so empty, I could change seat etc.
When the steward, later, brought the drinks around he offered me a choice of two brands of beers, selecting one brand he joked with me that I could try the other brand when he comes round again, I had a can of Russian beer (that had been left over from my stay in LED) in my bag, I showed it to him joking that I'd be trying that brand also, he had absolutely no problem with me drinking my own can of beer.
