Ban Kids on certain longhaul flights?
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Ban Kids on certain longhaul flights?
Ok - its just a thought - but has any airline thought about it?
Having endured a couple of longhaul sectors where my seat is constantly kicked and table tops raised and opened with force - seats thrown back into recline when trying to have some sort of food and increase in noise levels due crying and general child "activity" which includes running around the cabin it would be nice to be on a child free flight. Even seperate cabins for families and their off spring would suffice.
Not being anti child here - just wanting a better flying experience to suite me.
Suppose I could pay out more and go Business etc - but is that guaranteed to be child free (ie under 16?)
Not saying that all the long haul flights should be child free - but take London to New York. How many sectors a day - a fair number. Oh to have one or two child free........................
Nivsy
Having endured a couple of longhaul sectors where my seat is constantly kicked and table tops raised and opened with force - seats thrown back into recline when trying to have some sort of food and increase in noise levels due crying and general child "activity" which includes running around the cabin it would be nice to be on a child free flight. Even seperate cabins for families and their off spring would suffice.
Not being anti child here - just wanting a better flying experience to suite me.
Suppose I could pay out more and go Business etc - but is that guaranteed to be child free (ie under 16?)
Not saying that all the long haul flights should be child free - but take London to New York. How many sectors a day - a fair number. Oh to have one or two child free........................
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worth considering . . . . . !
seat is constantly kicked and table tops raised and opened with force - seats thrown back into recline when trying to have some sort of food
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I agree, get rid of 'em...little s*ds.
While we're at it, loud people...I don't like them either, they seem to think everyone else wants to listen to their conversations. Then fat people..how dare they? Coming onboard huffing, puffing and sweating all over us..ugh!
Last time I flew there was an ugly person in the seat next to me. Can you imagine that? Don't they realise that flying is all about beautiful people, like you and me, living the dream. Wafted to the airport in style, breezing through formalities to be greeted on-board by a vision of subservience wanting only to fulfil our every need.
As a kindred spirit, I'm going to give you a tip. Drop me a note if you want further details. London to New York return, excellent service even to the point of going and coming back when you want, dedicated service, all for £87,000 return....
Alternatively, you could stay on public transport for about £350........
While we're at it, loud people...I don't like them either, they seem to think everyone else wants to listen to their conversations. Then fat people..how dare they? Coming onboard huffing, puffing and sweating all over us..ugh!
Last time I flew there was an ugly person in the seat next to me. Can you imagine that? Don't they realise that flying is all about beautiful people, like you and me, living the dream. Wafted to the airport in style, breezing through formalities to be greeted on-board by a vision of subservience wanting only to fulfil our every need.
As a kindred spirit, I'm going to give you a tip. Drop me a note if you want further details. London to New York return, excellent service even to the point of going and coming back when you want, dedicated service, all for £87,000 return....
Alternatively, you could stay on public transport for about £350........
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When you see that one cannot even keep a cat in the cabin - a cat, who is an animal that is always quiet, silent and gentle ...
Why not put the children apart, in a pressurized hold, for instance. I bet quite a few parents would be glad to be rid of them fot the trip duration ...
Why not put the children apart, in a pressurized hold, for instance. I bet quite a few parents would be glad to be rid of them fot the trip duration ...
And what about all the perfectly behaved children who are much less trouble than most of the adults on board...? Smaller too, so they don't put the seat back as much and let the person behind have more room!
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Ban (badly behaved) kids from longhaul flights? - YES
Ban (badly behaved) kids from all flights? - YES
Ban (badly behaved) kids from actually existing? - YES
We had this problem before, in the CC thread about badly behaved kids and bad parenting. I say exterminating both of the above will make a difference and make us happier than ever.
But then again we should exterminate the Gov who offers freebies (house, car, free holidays) to these subspecies...
But then again who am i to make a difference? I'll just look after the chavadelic family going on holiday, making sure they are safe and sound from take off to landing, because that's my job and i swore I'll sacrifice my life to save theyrs...
On second thought i might be considering a 9 to 5 job in a call center now, at least i won't feel that i have to forcibly smile to TWATS there...
Rgds,
ATS
Ban (badly behaved) kids from all flights? - YES
Ban (badly behaved) kids from actually existing? - YES
We had this problem before, in the CC thread about badly behaved kids and bad parenting. I say exterminating both of the above will make a difference and make us happier than ever.
But then again we should exterminate the Gov who offers freebies (house, car, free holidays) to these subspecies...
But then again who am i to make a difference? I'll just look after the chavadelic family going on holiday, making sure they are safe and sound from take off to landing, because that's my job and i swore I'll sacrifice my life to save theyrs...
On second thought i might be considering a 9 to 5 job in a call center now, at least i won't feel that i have to forcibly smile to TWATS there...
Rgds,
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When you see that one cannot even keep a cat in the cabin - a cat, who is an animal that is always quiet, silent and gentle ...
Why not put the children apart, in a pressurized hold, for instance. I bet quite a few parents would be glad to be rid of them fot the trip duration ...
Why not put the children apart, in a pressurized hold, for instance. I bet quite a few parents would be glad to be rid of them fot the trip duration ...
Why pressurize it, save money on the (lack of) air from the packs
I jest (or do I)!
The problem stems from the parents, they are the reason the child runs riot around the cabin/kicks seats etc. Our society today is really broken in many ways.
There is no proper discipline anymore as anything more than a mild telling off is considered assault by our wonderous law makers in HMG.
However, not all kids are bad. I recently travelled LHR-YVR in 1st on BA.
Sitting there in the relative peace and calm and 2 adults and their 4 children (from 4 yrs up to about 14) enter the cabin.
I have never ever witnessed such well behaved children. Every one of them had perfect manners. The cabin crew were always answered by "Please may I have" or "Thank you" The youngest even took her empty food plates out to the galley.
Of course they were Canadian!!!!
As for the OP subject on banning children from flights, I dont think that has a chance of happening but, I do have sympathy with being locked in a confined space of an aircraft with misbehaving children whos parents could not give a toss.
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Thanks for at least seeing the issue Rainbow - glad I am not really alone in this.
Funnily enough I think it was clear that I did say even if one or two flights had the option of being child free would be nice although I do take on board some of the comments regarding adult pax as well who are not always the best behaved on board. I still maintain though it would be probably be a vote winner with some pax and even if kids are on board with the layout of cabins etc I am sure something could be done with the config on wide bodies to allow them their own cabin of sorts.
Guess the general attitude of parents though (not all)does little to help the cause. The glare and mouthful i got from a mother when I told her kid to stop kicking the back of my seat was a bit of a shock! Ho hum.
Funnily enough I think it was clear that I did say even if one or two flights had the option of being child free would be nice although I do take on board some of the comments regarding adult pax as well who are not always the best behaved on board. I still maintain though it would be probably be a vote winner with some pax and even if kids are on board with the layout of cabins etc I am sure something could be done with the config on wide bodies to allow them their own cabin of sorts.
Guess the general attitude of parents though (not all)does little to help the cause. The glare and mouthful i got from a mother when I told her kid to stop kicking the back of my seat was a bit of a shock! Ho hum.
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Small kids dont get drunk, and generally aren't rude to the FAs. Give me badly behaved kids over yobbish parents ANYDAY.
Once on long haul, Senior Management and myself had a young baby in front of us, yelling the place down all through boarding and taxiing. Thought this flight was going to be ghastly, but not a peep out of the little one throught the whole flight. Ban the parents who REFUSE to control their offspring!!!
Once on long haul, Senior Management and myself had a young baby in front of us, yelling the place down all through boarding and taxiing. Thought this flight was going to be ghastly, but not a peep out of the little one throught the whole flight. Ban the parents who REFUSE to control their offspring!!!
A few years ago we had 2 little cherubs behind us that kicked the seats all the way from Montego bay to LGW !!
And a guy in front with a bawling baby on his lap-reclining his seat back, even after being told by the BA cabin crew three times to put his seat in the upright position!
Fortunately there was an empty seat next to me so I moved over so i could get a bit of room--thoughtless parents and unruly kids are a pain on flights---totally agree with Nivsy and Rainboe!
Never had the problem on flights to GIB Nivsy--normally golfers or Businessmen!!
And a guy in front with a bawling baby on his lap-reclining his seat back, even after being told by the BA cabin crew three times to put his seat in the upright position!
Fortunately there was an empty seat next to me so I moved over so i could get a bit of room--thoughtless parents and unruly kids are a pain on flights---totally agree with Nivsy and Rainboe!
Never had the problem on flights to GIB Nivsy--normally golfers or Businessmen!!
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You guys should not have any complaints with your "little ones"...
Argentina kids are all future soccer champions, Maradona class...
Especially if you are from Manchester United, they will take care of the back of your seat.
After all, Buenos Aires to Madrid is a mere 11 hrs long flight.
And if you do not like Argentina, take a Varig flight with Brazilian kids.
xxx
Happy contrails - bang bang bang...
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Maybe put the kids in a kennel, maybe, with checked baggage...?
Argentina kids are all future soccer champions, Maradona class...
Especially if you are from Manchester United, they will take care of the back of your seat.
After all, Buenos Aires to Madrid is a mere 11 hrs long flight.
And if you do not like Argentina, take a Varig flight with Brazilian kids.
xxx
Happy contrails - bang bang bang...
P.S.
Maybe put the kids in a kennel, maybe, with checked baggage...?
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True enough Charley B although sometimes there are some "strange bods" on board! (although last year when Paul Weller was on the Gib/Lgw with kids he was a perfect gent).
That said its only a couple of hours to /from Gib its usually the other sectors that get me! Roll on the next flight..........
That said its only a couple of hours to /from Gib its usually the other sectors that get me! Roll on the next flight..........
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First, constructive
probably impractical to ban kids, not to say "can you imagine this on the New York times front page"?
The issue is really the mix of business people, singles etc with kids in the same part of the plane. How about not assigning seats for people with kids until check-in? That way, you could move all the families in the back of the bus, all the kids together, etc. Fill it up back there with the cheapest tickets and mileage fliers. Move flight attendants there who like kids (they exist) and pronto - you have a nice kindergarten with really no additional work.
The issue is really the mix of business people, singles etc with kids in the same part of the plane. How about not assigning seats for people with kids until check-in? That way, you could move all the families in the back of the bus, all the kids together, etc. Fill it up back there with the cheapest tickets and mileage fliers. Move flight attendants there who like kids (they exist) and pronto - you have a nice kindergarten with really no additional work.
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Now Rant:
I have three kids, and they all have flown every year of their life East Coast to Europe. I have had to yell at them for kicking the front seat (and it worked), and I had them screaming (because I yelled at them for kicking the front seat, because they were to small to look out of the window with the seat belt on, because they were small and the ear thing hurts, etc). After their 3rd year, they all knew how this works and no problemo any more. It also helps that the airlines I fly now have video screens in economy most of the time. So I do not understand parents who do not have their 5 year old under enough control (for a given level of "enough" - these are NOT cats that are happy to sleep in one place). I am a parent but you, lady with the kid throwing food across the aisle, have an annoying beast that you need to tame asap.
But I also don't understand passengers who protest when a baby screams here and there. You put a lot of people in a room, that's what happens. Do you think I want my kid to scream because his ear hurts? It's not that we poke them so they ruin your day/night, you know. If you want to have your own personal space, rent your own plane. I understand you are upset about the kicking, and that's inexcusable, and I have said so to kids and parents behind my row. But a baby screaming, come on - buy ear plugs!
But I also don't understand passengers who protest when a baby screams here and there. You put a lot of people in a room, that's what happens. Do you think I want my kid to scream because his ear hurts? It's not that we poke them so they ruin your day/night, you know. If you want to have your own personal space, rent your own plane. I understand you are upset about the kicking, and that's inexcusable, and I have said so to kids and parents behind my row. But a baby screaming, come on - buy ear plugs!
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As a parent with a perfectly behaved child, nothing gives me more pleasure than giving the little imp a good hard pinch at around midnight on the long haulers. His ear piercing screams usually manage to wake at least the economy section of the aircraft.
Why?? Do i hear you enquire, because Im a bastard. Simple
Why?? Do i hear you enquire, because Im a bastard. Simple
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The probelm these days is the dismal standard of parenting coupled with mamby pamby legislation.
Go back 20-30 years and people would still wear their Sunday best, flying was something special - unruly children were either forced to behave or more likely were not from families who were financially able to fund the ticket price.
I really do sympathize with the really young kids suffering ear discomfort and both unable to equalise it while being too young to be told how to do so. This is a problem that only exists during climb and descent. For the idiot children of idiot parents who fail to control their brats during the cruise I feel nothing but contempt. When I was a child, unruly behaviour in public would be met with a "clip around the ear" - worked a treat, there were very few times I misbehaved. Inept government is assisting the breeding of the human equivalent of vermin.
RIX
Go back 20-30 years and people would still wear their Sunday best, flying was something special - unruly children were either forced to behave or more likely were not from families who were financially able to fund the ticket price.
I really do sympathize with the really young kids suffering ear discomfort and both unable to equalise it while being too young to be told how to do so. This is a problem that only exists during climb and descent. For the idiot children of idiot parents who fail to control their brats during the cruise I feel nothing but contempt. When I was a child, unruly behaviour in public would be met with a "clip around the ear" - worked a treat, there were very few times I misbehaved. Inept government is assisting the breeding of the human equivalent of vermin.
RIX
