Mobile Phones in the Cabin? Perhaps Not!
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If I am at a meal, and someone starts using a blackberry (or a laptop), I get up and leave. Has nobody got any manners anymore?
Anybody using a laptop or blackberry at breakfast needs to get out more.
As to the notion of phone on planes. god help us all.
Just imagine you settle down on an overnight flight. Ring ring! (or some other even more irritatingly inane ring tone).
If this ever comes to pass, all hell will let loose. If I was having this forced on me, I'd just start singing or whistling very loudly. Any loud-mouthed moron on the phone would soon give up.
Phones on a plane is just asking for in-flight aggro...big time.
Are the managers of airlines really as dumb as they seem??
Anybody using a laptop or blackberry at breakfast needs to get out more.
As to the notion of phone on planes. god help us all.
Just imagine you settle down on an overnight flight. Ring ring! (or some other even more irritatingly inane ring tone).
If this ever comes to pass, all hell will let loose. If I was having this forced on me, I'd just start singing or whistling very loudly. Any loud-mouthed moron on the phone would soon give up.
Phones on a plane is just asking for in-flight aggro...big time.
Are the managers of airlines really as dumb as they seem??
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If I am at a meal, and someone starts using a blackberry (or a laptop), I get up and leave. Has nobody got any manners anymore?
Anybody using a laptop or blackberry at breakfast needs to get out more
Anybody using a laptop or blackberry at breakfast needs to get out more
Also, a lot of it depends on how busy you are and how much available time you have. For me, I have a considerable amount of what I refer to as 'dead time' this is time spent in airports, planes and sat on my own eating in hotels and restaurants. I try to use this time as productively as I can and perform tasks which I'm going to have to do at some point anyway. Reading my emails is a tiresome job and something I don't enjoy because 90% of what I get is the normal collection of arse covering rubbish coupled with the 'for info' mails with 15 page attachments.
Anyway, so next time you see someone using a BB don't just assume they need to get out more. Obviously, I agree that anyone using a BB when eating with someone does need a lesson in manners.
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Oh deary me!
Sadly (and I wish it were otherwise), for many of us, the 'office' expects us to respond to emails, phone calls and the like pretty much any waking hour (and if you work in a different time zone, some pretty non-waking ones too). It's nothing to do with being (self)important, and has a lot more to do with the modern global economy, and your employer expecting to own your soul. It's not just airline pilots that have it bad!
I'm not eating breakfast with you; if I need to get out my laptop, crackberry or whatever.. well, I'm sorry it offends your sensibilities, but hard luck - how purile of you to get up and leave. Still, I'm not the one going hungry!
You may have been lucky enough to have a 9-5 (plus hour for lunch presumably), I am not. I'd like to be, but it's a bit like paying for type ratings... do it and have a job, or take the moral high ground and the dole.
As for the airline managers being dumb, that they are not - these 'loud mouthed idiots' will generally fly far more, far regularly, and on more expensive tickets than the pedants who are offended. As the saying goes: 'Money talks...'
Sadly (and I wish it were otherwise), for many of us, the 'office' expects us to respond to emails, phone calls and the like pretty much any waking hour (and if you work in a different time zone, some pretty non-waking ones too). It's nothing to do with being (self)important, and has a lot more to do with the modern global economy, and your employer expecting to own your soul. It's not just airline pilots that have it bad!
I'm not eating breakfast with you; if I need to get out my laptop, crackberry or whatever.. well, I'm sorry it offends your sensibilities, but hard luck - how purile of you to get up and leave. Still, I'm not the one going hungry!
You may have been lucky enough to have a 9-5 (plus hour for lunch presumably), I am not. I'd like to be, but it's a bit like paying for type ratings... do it and have a job, or take the moral high ground and the dole.
As for the airline managers being dumb, that they are not - these 'loud mouthed idiots' will generally fly far more, far regularly, and on more expensive tickets than the pedants who are offended. As the saying goes: 'Money talks...'
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Why is it that those who feel they earn more and are better off have the notion that 'these-rules-don't-apply-to-me'. You say money talks? Well mostly it's a crass and pompous language. The nouveau riche are amongst the most pompous and ill mannered bunch I've ever met. It's better to wear your wealth with dignity. Takes me back to the champagny guzzling, Porsche owning 80's.
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In a bulletin from Priority Pass today they say:
Over 3,000 members responded to our survey on mobile phones and the overwhelming conclusion is that allowing passengers to use mobile phones on board will be a source of great irritation
Almost 9 out of 10 respondents (88%) said they would consider this to be annoying. Although 28% felt very strongly about this issue and advocated a full ban on mobile communications, 57% of the people who answered the survey felt that communications via text or email would be preferable to a complete ban. Only 9% of respondents felt that all usage should be allowed, even within clearly defined time periods.
Over 3,000 members responded to our survey on mobile phones and the overwhelming conclusion is that allowing passengers to use mobile phones on board will be a source of great irritation
Almost 9 out of 10 respondents (88%) said they would consider this to be annoying. Although 28% felt very strongly about this issue and advocated a full ban on mobile communications, 57% of the people who answered the survey felt that communications via text or email would be preferable to a complete ban. Only 9% of respondents felt that all usage should be allowed, even within clearly defined time periods.
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Sorry for delay, been away a day and a half.. on First Great Western, One Railway, and Flybe.
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So do I, and perhaps I am one of those, perhaps not. It's not the class of travel which concerns me, it's people who use their mobiles continuously and loudly instructing their minions to do this or that, or who describe in excruciating detail their latest deals; it's always in "millions" etc etc etc. It's the impossibility of concentrating on somethings else while this is going on that winds me up.
Yesterday the quiet car was full..so one was condemned to the unquiet car. With 2 hours to go, a woman (late 40's) gets on, brisk with hard edges, Dame Edna glasses. She sits down, gets out her computer, spreads her papers all over a table for 4 (there was someone in each of the other 3 seats) , and then uses her mobile to go through a 50++ page document with whoever wrote it, with many criticisms of the language and punctuation on every page, some of which were laughably absurd. She was being loud, rude and unpleasant to the other person, obviously her junior. She can be classed fairly, I believe, as a self-important velvet-tipper. This went on for at least 20 minutes while the carriage cleared around her, with some, including me, going into STD class to get some comparative peace and leaving her at it. She was very obviously a senior manager in a media group which I won't name although she told us, as well as letting us all know that the educational project she runs costs tens of millions, is for the benefit of 147,000 people, and that Nick and Pru, Fiona, Adam and Jeremy should get their fingers out.
She was utterly oblivious to the effect she was having, and indeed to the protests that several people made.
I really dread the onset of that sort of thing in Business on aircraft as well as trains. There's no escape in an aircraft.
If I suffer from uncontrolled rage, as I suppose I sometimes do, it's against people like her. Well, actually, it was controlled, now I think of it. I didn't say anything, or even shoot her as I would have liked. I didn't need to. There were angrier people than me telling her what they thought, as they left.
Sorry for delay, been away a day and a half.. on First Great Western, One Railway, and Flybe.
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I travel in business class all the time and I wouldn't call myself "a self important w****r" What issues do you have ?
Yesterday the quiet car was full..so one was condemned to the unquiet car. With 2 hours to go, a woman (late 40's) gets on, brisk with hard edges, Dame Edna glasses. She sits down, gets out her computer, spreads her papers all over a table for 4 (there was someone in each of the other 3 seats) , and then uses her mobile to go through a 50++ page document with whoever wrote it, with many criticisms of the language and punctuation on every page, some of which were laughably absurd. She was being loud, rude and unpleasant to the other person, obviously her junior. She can be classed fairly, I believe, as a self-important velvet-tipper. This went on for at least 20 minutes while the carriage cleared around her, with some, including me, going into STD class to get some comparative peace and leaving her at it. She was very obviously a senior manager in a media group which I won't name although she told us, as well as letting us all know that the educational project she runs costs tens of millions, is for the benefit of 147,000 people, and that Nick and Pru, Fiona, Adam and Jeremy should get their fingers out.
She was utterly oblivious to the effect she was having, and indeed to the protests that several people made.
I really dread the onset of that sort of thing in Business on aircraft as well as trains. There's no escape in an aircraft.
If I suffer from uncontrolled rage, as I suppose I sometimes do, it's against people like her. Well, actually, it was controlled, now I think of it. I didn't say anything, or even shoot her as I would have liked. I didn't need to. There were angrier people than me telling her what they thought, as they left.
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Budget carrier Ryanair will roll out the OnAir in-flight mobile connectivity service initially across 25 aircraft during the first quarter of next year.
Ryanair is OnAir's full launch customer for the service, which enables passengers to use their mobile phones and other devices such as BlackBerrys in flight.
The supplier has been working to secure the necessary approval from national telecom regulators to support the start of services for its launch customers, a process that has pushed back the launch of such services into next year.
"Our in-flight mobile phone service will be tested on 25 aircraft before the end of March 2008," says Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary. He indicates these are likely to be deployed on aircraft operating out of London Stansted.
UK telecom regulators in October launched a six-week consultation on proposals to enable passengers to use their mobile devices on board. French telecom regulators have also now issued an approval to enable Air France, which is one of three carriers to sign up to trials of the OnAir service, to carry out its trial.
From flightglobal.com
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...uarter-of.html
Ryanair is OnAir's full launch customer for the service, which enables passengers to use their mobile phones and other devices such as BlackBerrys in flight.
The supplier has been working to secure the necessary approval from national telecom regulators to support the start of services for its launch customers, a process that has pushed back the launch of such services into next year.
"Our in-flight mobile phone service will be tested on 25 aircraft before the end of March 2008," says Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary. He indicates these are likely to be deployed on aircraft operating out of London Stansted.
UK telecom regulators in October launched a six-week consultation on proposals to enable passengers to use their mobile devices on board. French telecom regulators have also now issued an approval to enable Air France, which is one of three carriers to sign up to trials of the OnAir service, to carry out its trial.
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http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...uarter-of.html
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Class does not come into it. I'm not 'riche', I'm a minion who goes economy everywhere. I get directed, not do the directing. Those fares are more expensive in that they are short notice.
The money that talks is the company who pays my fare; Cumulatively they spend rather a lot! I'm quite sure if they could have me flight contactable, they'd pay a (bit) extra, maybe change the airline preference - extrapolate that over a number of regular fliers. The point I make (possibly a little flippantly) is that there's an opportunity for the airline managers to differentiate their airline, and they are most definately not daft in doing so. I'd rather have a data connection though, more use, less noise.
Granted there's always the odd idiot such as the marketing agency exec example, however, I fail to understand those why it is so offensive to some that I might have a work conversation on the phone at a normal voice, when they would never dream of complaining should that colleague be sat next to me on the plane/train/whatever, having the same conversation.
The money that talks is the company who pays my fare; Cumulatively they spend rather a lot! I'm quite sure if they could have me flight contactable, they'd pay a (bit) extra, maybe change the airline preference - extrapolate that over a number of regular fliers. The point I make (possibly a little flippantly) is that there's an opportunity for the airline managers to differentiate their airline, and they are most definately not daft in doing so. I'd rather have a data connection though, more use, less noise.
Granted there's always the odd idiot such as the marketing agency exec example, however, I fail to understand those why it is so offensive to some that I might have a work conversation on the phone at a normal voice, when they would never dream of complaining should that colleague be sat next to me on the plane/train/whatever, having the same conversation.
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seem like you maybe have the wrong end of the stick regarding my comments.
I travel on business an awful lot - a very frequent flyer, and I use a blackberry. I'm just secure and mature enough not to sit typing E-mails at dinner or breakfast, whilst in company. That is what I was referring to. To me it is rude, whilst in company. You think it's ok.
You know, if I happily obliged, many people would be very happy to have me respond to E-mails 24/7, and never, ever sleep. You make the choice in business to either let work control you, or you control work. Savvy businessmen do the latter.
Mobile phones on a plane- a very bad idea. I'm not at all surprised at the figures from the priority pass survey.
seem like you maybe have the wrong end of the stick regarding my comments.
I travel on business an awful lot - a very frequent flyer, and I use a blackberry. I'm just secure and mature enough not to sit typing E-mails at dinner or breakfast, whilst in company. That is what I was referring to. To me it is rude, whilst in company. You think it's ok.
You know, if I happily obliged, many people would be very happy to have me respond to E-mails 24/7, and never, ever sleep. You make the choice in business to either let work control you, or you control work. Savvy businessmen do the latter.
Mobile phones on a plane- a very bad idea. I'm not at all surprised at the figures from the priority pass survey.
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I'm not at all surprised at the figures from the priority pass survey.
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Using times on a real airplane ( No LoCo ):
Day Flight: Reading the interesting articles on the plane/ in lounge
Night Flight: Sleep!
Cell Phones on a Plane: NO !
Cell Phones in a lounge: NO !
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Day Flight: Reading the interesting articles on the plane/ in lounge
Night Flight: Sleep!
Cell Phones on a Plane: NO !
Cell Phones in a lounge: NO !
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You're obviously luckier or better placed than me, I don't have the option of not being available - not if I want to keep/progress in the job. I agree it's not the height of manners, but nor should it be that offensive, you don't know me from adam, so what does it matter to you if I am having breakfast with my laptop?
In any case, I seem to be in the minority, so I shall shut up!
In any case, I seem to be in the minority, so I shall shut up!
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Mark1234 I think it is all about volume. I make phone calls when I am on a train, or sitting in the departure/arrival lounge but it is the voice levels that annoy. Doubtless you keep your business to yourself.
Earlier in the thread, I gave the usual reason for people speaking too loudly when using a mobile but some seem to do it for self aggrandisement. If the call is kept discrete, I would not mind but you just know that you are going to land up sitting next to @etc..
Earlier in the thread, I gave the usual reason for people speaking too loudly when using a mobile but some seem to do it for self aggrandisement. If the call is kept discrete, I would not mind but you just know that you are going to land up sitting next to @etc..
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Of course, there's also a very good reason why no mobile phones should be allowed into an airport at all!
http://67.19.222.106/inboxer/video/cellgun.mpg
http://www.safetytechnology.com/cellphonestungun.htm
http://67.19.222.106/inboxer/video/cellgun.mpg
http://www.safetytechnology.com/cellphonestungun.htm
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I'm still not clear what the objections are, judging by the posts here. The 2 main complaints seem to be volume or content. Either of which could be applicable to 2 passengers sitting next to you having a face to face conversation.
As for people using laptops or blackberry at breakfast, fair enough if it's in your company, although even then, in certain circumstances, say business trips, it might be unavoidable. But if someone else doing it annoys you, I sugget you need to get out of the other side of bed in the mornings!
Technical issues are another matter, but they've hardly been touched on yet in the thread.
I wonder if the internet had been available 100 years ago, would be we reading a thread about how intrusive Mr Graham-Bell's invention was going to be?
As for people using laptops or blackberry at breakfast, fair enough if it's in your company, although even then, in certain circumstances, say business trips, it might be unavoidable. But if someone else doing it annoys you, I sugget you need to get out of the other side of bed in the mornings!
Technical issues are another matter, but they've hardly been touched on yet in the thread.
I wonder if the internet had been available 100 years ago, would be we reading a thread about how intrusive Mr Graham-Bell's invention was going to be?