Ryanair and "Priority Boarding"
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Boarding flights to Murcia, Girona and Almeria etc. when there are around 40/50 kids onboard then you start to see that charging to get on first is a good thing. If you are travelling without children and check in first you have to wait for all these kids and their parents to get on first ( and most of the time the whole family of 7 people think they should get on first becuase they have 1 child). By the time you have finished the pre boards, half the flight is already boarded. A lot of families check in last, then push to the front of the que shouting they have kids. The one thing I don't agree with is charging to use the online check in service. I thought that this was an incentive not to bring bags and to bypass the check in. I know it's only £2 but that's not really the point. I completely agree with them charging for pre boards but not, to use the web check in. I guess there will be a limit of how many pre boards there can be. Would be fun to sell a pre board 'pass' to everyone on the plane. lol.
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I cannot believe some of the comments regarding children on this thread, I can only imagine that the posters either know nothing about children or simply don't have them.
People with young children must be seated together, as F3G points out for safety reasons than any other. It is simply not practical to seat a 3 year old child 10 rows from their parent. Of course the reason RYR have done this is because they know that most parents will not risk being separated from their children. Let's add this up, what percentage of passengers are either children or those travelling with children ? Say 30% ? 30% of 40 million passengers is 12 million. At 2 pounds per person this adds up to £24 million per year.
Another reason why I'll never fly with RYR again.
People with young children must be seated together, as F3G points out for safety reasons than any other. It is simply not practical to seat a 3 year old child 10 rows from their parent. Of course the reason RYR have done this is because they know that most parents will not risk being separated from their children. Let's add this up, what percentage of passengers are either children or those travelling with children ? Say 30% ? 30% of 40 million passengers is 12 million. At 2 pounds per person this adds up to £24 million per year.
Another reason why I'll never fly with RYR again.
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I think some of you are right little ar$eholes to suggest that people travelling with children shouldn't get free priority boarding. Shame shame shame on you!
If all kids seated down the back (accompanied by their parents/guardians of course) they could then scream til their hearts content and not annoy the businessmen down the front.
As it is, kids randomly placed throughout the cabin usually set off a domino effect and the screaming ripples throughout the cabin, much to the annoyance of all!!!
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it,s easy to sort out seats on fr
Just go up the rear steps coz n one else seems to .Ihave done 5 flights this week with Fr and priorty boarding was not used at all.I SAT on last row emeg exit .Passengers do not know unless told to use rear steps. Fingers up to ryanair good product all flight s on time or early
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I agree with Jack's comments about some flights to (mainly Spanish) holiday destinations being full of kids and totally defeating the purpose of "pre-boarding". It used to really annoy me when pax would shove huge gangly 11 year olds, towering above the parents, to the front of the queue and demand pre-boarding for this kid, the 2 older siblings, the parents, the grandparents, Auntie, Auntie's neighbour, and everyone else in their group. Paying to guarantee seats together has been common practice on charter flights for several years now, but I think that not even giving parents with young children a few minutes head start as a courtesy is a little harsh.
I was never one of these people that honestly expected to pay £0.10 for a flight, but adding up all the charges encountered on FR now is forcing me onto "legacy" carriers more and more, where the £150 hard breakfast roll is now only £60. Yum.
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I was never one of these people that honestly expected to pay £0.10 for a flight, but adding up all the charges encountered on FR now is forcing me onto "legacy" carriers more and more, where the £150 hard breakfast roll is now only £60. Yum.
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Well, actually, that IS the point!! It is another £2 per ticket for FR. All companies introduced on-line check-in to save them money. In the same way that supermarkets introduced self-serve checkouts to save them money. In both cases (Check-In and Check-Out 
) they save money and we get the impression of better service. Now that airline pax are getting used to doing this - Bingo! and FR change the rules. My admiration for MoL and his bunch continues to rise, at the same time as my desire to use his airline falls.
Yes, exactly, that is what they will hope for and good luck to them. My guess is that there will be no limit to the number of pre-boards that can be booked.
After all, if they have accepted a pre-board fee from all 137 (or whatever pax) and then get everyone on board in the sequence in which they checked in ... they will have completed their side of the deal. If one cared to read the small print, I would have no doubt that there is a get out clause about not refunding the £2 if they are unable to board you due to 'operational circumstances on the day'. They have so many excuses to use that you could sit and eat them for a (chargeable) three course meal.
Not to mention of course, that they have one significant advantage over every other commercial organisation in the world: They do not care what their customers think and do not care if the customer never uses them again. MoL has stated this on many occasions.
The one thing I don't agree with is charging to use the online check in service. I thought that this was an incentive not to bring bags and to bypass the check in. I know it's only £2 but that's not really the point.
) they save money and we get the impression of better service. Now that airline pax are getting used to doing this - Bingo! and FR change the rules. My admiration for MoL and his bunch continues to rise, at the same time as my desire to use his airline falls.
I guess there will be a limit of how many pre boards there can be. Would be fun to sell a pre board 'pass' to everyone on the plane.
After all, if they have accepted a pre-board fee from all 137 (or whatever pax) and then get everyone on board in the sequence in which they checked in ... they will have completed their side of the deal. If one cared to read the small print, I would have no doubt that there is a get out clause about not refunding the £2 if they are unable to board you due to 'operational circumstances on the day'. They have so many excuses to use that you could sit and eat them for a (chargeable) three course meal.
Not to mention of course, that they have one significant advantage over every other commercial organisation in the world: They do not care what their customers think and do not care if the customer never uses them again. MoL has stated this on many occasions.
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Anyway - one solution for Iberia at least is to check-in online - available from the day before. If you booked with air miles you might not have your reservation number available: in this case ring Iberia reservation to ask for it, and Bob's your Uncle...
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Why don't they just let you pre-book the actual seat you want online. This could be then printed off with a large number eg3C. This would be charged for and more for emergency exits as per charter airlines. At boarding all pax with the bits of paper asked to come first. Get out clause pax must be there for 1st boarding call or their seat lost(non-refundable of course).
While we're at it how about a late check-in service, 45mins desk closure a bit mean, how about £10 30min check-in, payable at the desk. Then upto you if you make it through security on time.
While we're at it how about a late check-in service, 45mins desk closure a bit mean, how about £10 30min check-in, payable at the desk. Then upto you if you make it through security on time.
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just as a matter of interest, i assume you pay for the priority seating for online check-in online otherwise it defeats the purpose. here's my question, does this mean whip out the credit card each time, €3 per flight + the usual €5 service charge?
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If all kids seated down the back (accompanied by their parents/guardians of course) they could then scream til their hearts content and not annoy the businessmen down the front.
As it is, kids randomly placed throughout the cabin usually set off a domino effect and the screaming ripples throughout the cabin, much to the annoyance of all!!!
As it is, kids randomly placed throughout the cabin usually set off a domino effect and the screaming ripples throughout the cabin, much to the annoyance of all!!!
FFS people complaining about screaming kids on LOCO flights need to get a grip.
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Ugh!
Are FR actually going to charge for priority boarding, or for the web-check-in or both?
It is not actually stated that they will charge for this...
"Those travelling with hand luggage only will also have the option to enjoy the double benefit of bypassing airport check-in queues and priority boarding at the departure gate by checking in on line for just £2/€3 per flight.
From 1st November, families with children will no longer be pre-boarded however they will have the option of online check-in and priority boarding if travelling without checked in luggage or priority boarding purchased at the airport if travelling with checked in bags."
I THINK what is being said here is "it is possible to buy priority boarding at the airport, if you have checked-luggage, or if you dont, you can do this on-line or at the airport" So I think that OLCI on longer gets priority boarding?
To be honest the use of english is dreadful, the only thing that is clear is FR are yet again charging us for a service we never kenw we wated or had! I know FR have major plans to increase the revenue per pasenger, but this is just a sneaky way of dong it, sure the tickets are "free", but now it's 5 euro for the card(per ticket, if you dont mind!), 3 to check in, 4 for the bag.....10for the toilet, etc, etc. To be honest the chraging is getting out of control. Just tell me how much my ticket actually costs will all this crap and stop pretending Im getting a ticket for free, cause Im not.
It really bugs me that when I do my shopping Morrisons(or anybody else) charge me NOTHING for my £10-£15 of shopping yet FR, EI, WW, BD, et al see fit to add on a chrage(and let me tell you, the fare is NEVER £10-£15, once all those "taxes" are added). How the hell does it cost them so much? And why do high street retailers absorb the charges?
It is not actually stated that they will charge for this...
"Those travelling with hand luggage only will also have the option to enjoy the double benefit of bypassing airport check-in queues and priority boarding at the departure gate by checking in on line for just £2/€3 per flight.
From 1st November, families with children will no longer be pre-boarded however they will have the option of online check-in and priority boarding if travelling without checked in luggage or priority boarding purchased at the airport if travelling with checked in bags."
I THINK what is being said here is "it is possible to buy priority boarding at the airport, if you have checked-luggage, or if you dont, you can do this on-line or at the airport" So I think that OLCI on longer gets priority boarding?
To be honest the use of english is dreadful, the only thing that is clear is FR are yet again charging us for a service we never kenw we wated or had! I know FR have major plans to increase the revenue per pasenger, but this is just a sneaky way of dong it, sure the tickets are "free", but now it's 5 euro for the card(per ticket, if you dont mind!), 3 to check in, 4 for the bag.....10for the toilet, etc, etc. To be honest the chraging is getting out of control. Just tell me how much my ticket actually costs will all this crap and stop pretending Im getting a ticket for free, cause Im not.
It really bugs me that when I do my shopping Morrisons(or anybody else) charge me NOTHING for my £10-£15 of shopping yet FR, EI, WW, BD, et al see fit to add on a chrage(and let me tell you, the fare is NEVER £10-£15, once all those "taxes" are added).
How the hell does it cost them so much? And why do high street retailers absorb the charges?
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There's actually a straightforward answer to all of this - don't use FR. I say that from a position of doing about 20-30 sectors/p.a. with them due to where they fly. Use if you must, avoid if you can.
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But FR have never made any secret of this. They set out to gain market share by an unusual pricing strategy and they continue to do so.
But the charging is entirely within control. They are doing what they said they would and we can buy or not.
Simple domestic example: Purchaser thinks that a laser printer for their home PC is too expensive, so they buy an InkJet which also does colour Yaaay! Then they find out that it is considerably more expensive to run than a laser printer. So they buy cheap inks for it which gum it all up and the unit breaks. The next time they see a cheap inkjet printer advertised they are less likely to buy as they know that what the manufacturer really wants to do is sell lots of ink cartridges at high prices. Some folks continue to buy cheap inkjets and throw them away and others buy more expensive printers that are cheaper to run in the longer term.
Sorry if that sounds like a child's lesson but I am just trying to show that folks only feel cross at FR because it has not been done in the airline game before.
I know FR have major plans to increase the revenue per pasenger, but this is just a sneaky way of dong it, sure the tickets are "free", but now it's 5 euro for the card (per ticket, if you dont mind!), 3 to check in, 4 for the bag.....10 for the toilet, etc, etc.
To be honest the charging is getting out of control. Just tell me how much my ticket actually costs will all this crap and stop pretending Im getting a ticket for free, cause I'm not.
Simple domestic example: Purchaser thinks that a laser printer for their home PC is too expensive, so they buy an InkJet which also does colour Yaaay! Then they find out that it is considerably more expensive to run than a laser printer. So they buy cheap inks for it which gum it all up and the unit breaks. The next time they see a cheap inkjet printer advertised they are less likely to buy as they know that what the manufacturer really wants to do is sell lots of ink cartridges at high prices. Some folks continue to buy cheap inkjets and throw them away and others buy more expensive printers that are cheaper to run in the longer term.
Sorry if that sounds like a child's lesson but I am just trying to show that folks only feel cross at FR because it has not been done in the airline game before.
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My ryanair experience in A WEEK
1st flight BLK-STN-BLK £23.00 quid rtn
2nd flight LPL-RIX-LPL £37.96 RTN
3rd LBA-DUB-LBA 23.30 rtn
4th BLK-GRO-BLK 37.39 RTN
5th BLK-STN-BLK 24.49
all flights on time and carry a small trolly case which you can get enough in for a busines meeting and a chage of clothes
the above include all charges and taxes cc fees etc SO to be honest you can,t go wrong keep up the good work MOL ... oH BY THE WAY at LpL i bought a meal deal at boots for 75 pence they were reduced due to selll by date THE LORD
2nd flight LPL-RIX-LPL £37.96 RTN
3rd LBA-DUB-LBA 23.30 rtn
4th BLK-GRO-BLK 37.39 RTN
5th BLK-STN-BLK 24.49
all flights on time and carry a small trolly case which you can get enough in for a busines meeting and a chage of clothes
the above include all charges and taxes cc fees etc SO to be honest you can,t go wrong keep up the good work MOL ... oH BY THE WAY at LpL i bought a meal deal at boots for 75 pence they were reduced due to selll by date THE LORD
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I have recently bought tickets with Ryanair for STN - CIA - STN for £29 return including all taxes and charges. No matter how many little charges Ryanair add on they will usually ALWAYS be the cheapest airline. I compared prices with BA becasue sometimes the price difference is not that great and they would have charged me.... get ready.... £307! I know it is frustrating that they add these little charges on, but it's nothing they said they wouldn't do. But at prices like £29 return to Rome that how is anyone really in a positition to argue?
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priority boarding
Priority boarding (after children and disabled) is already available to those with cabin-baggage only who check-in on-line with Ryanair - no extra cost. The A4 print-out boarding pass carries full details (including passport number) and has a scannable barcode.
It also has a boarding sequence number, which is not strictly adhered to, but you do get on after the kids.
I think it's to persuade more people to travel with only cabin baggage - makes it much easier. Last Sunday our Ryanair plane was delayed for an hour because two pax had not made the plane (due to understaffing at Stansted and chaotic arrangements), but their hold baggage had, necessitating offloading of their baggage. If I were MOL, under the present daft security rules, i would be exceeding pissed-off.
It also has a boarding sequence number, which is not strictly adhered to, but you do get on after the kids.
I think it's to persuade more people to travel with only cabin baggage - makes it much easier. Last Sunday our Ryanair plane was delayed for an hour because two pax had not made the plane (due to understaffing at Stansted and chaotic arrangements), but their hold baggage had, necessitating offloading of their baggage. If I were MOL, under the present daft security rules, i would be exceeding pissed-off.
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Ryanair dont have business class up the front or have i missed something?
