Is Ryanair that bad??
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the Truk laws were written due to protect people from the attitude that you postulate, as were the EU minimum wage laws.
I find your position on this matter to be unconscionable (as well as reprehensible) and can only hope that you are not in a position where you are responsible for managing employees.
the Truk laws were written due to protect people from the attitude that you postulate, as were the EU minimum wage laws.
I find your position on this matter to be unconscionable (as well as reprehensible) and can only hope that you are not in a position where you are responsible for managing employees.
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Ryanair is fine - if you don't mind travelling on a bus with constant attempts to amuse and entertain - scratchcards, raffle draws etc. Once they allow mobile phones on board it'll just get worse.
I travelled for via Ryanair recently for the first time - the alternative was a 5 hour stop over and change to a regional airport.
I'd only travel with them again if the alternative required some impossible change, or they were the only people flying to my destination. If the alternative involves a wait, then I'll take a book, or several.
I travelled for via Ryanair recently for the first time - the alternative was a 5 hour stop over and change to a regional airport.
I'd only travel with them again if the alternative required some impossible change, or they were the only people flying to my destination. If the alternative involves a wait, then I'll take a book, or several.
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But if RYR take such a view it's extremely short sighted, at the moment RYR are at the bottom of the pile as far as CC and Customer Staff are concerned and this must be reflected in the quality of the product they provide.
As a major player RYR are less than 10 years old and only just over 20 years in existence, eventually they are going to run into problems either from another new or 'improved' loco (if RYR can do it so can others) or from a safety issue. RYR operate so many aircraft nowadays that the law of averages dictates that eventually a problem will occur. If, God forbid, they do have an accident the spotlight will shine very brightly because of the perceived shortcuts they take in some areas.
But if RYR take such a view it's extremely short sighted, at the moment RYR are at the bottom of the pile as far as CC and Customer Staff are concerned and this must be reflected in the quality of the product they provide.
As a major player RYR are less than 10 years old and only just over 20 years in existence, eventually they are going to run into problems either from another new or 'improved' loco (if RYR can do it so can others) or from a safety issue. RYR operate so many aircraft nowadays that the law of averages dictates that eventually a problem will occur. If, God forbid, they do have an accident the spotlight will shine very brightly because of the perceived shortcuts they take in some areas.
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Are you saying that RYR are paying cc less than the min wage ?
the laws set up by the EU the same people who are trying
to get the uk to convert from miles to kilometers and eat bananas
that have the right amount of bend in them and change the way
we weigh things.
I do manage people all be it a team of 10, of which 1 has moved on
in the last 3 years and they get payed above min wage and are very
happy who get evenings out and thats payed for by the boss
infact this years xmas party is 2 limo's to the west end dinner and a show
the laws set up by the EU the same people who are trying
to get the uk to convert from miles to kilometers and eat bananas
that have the right amount of bend in them and change the way
we weigh things.
I do manage people all be it a team of 10, of which 1 has moved on
in the last 3 years and they get payed above min wage and are very
happy who get evenings out and thats payed for by the boss
infact this years xmas party is 2 limo's to the west end dinner and a show
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Are you saying that RYR are paying cc less than the min wage ?
No, I said that the Truk laws and minimum wage regulations were put in place to protect workers from the type of rubbish that you spouted in your last post. AFAIK Ryanair comply with these laws to the letter.
the laws set up by the EU the same people who are trying
to get the uk to convert from miles to kilometers and eat bananas
that have the right amount of bend in them and change the way
we weigh things.
You have been reading the Sun too much, by the way the 1985 Weights and Measures Act already requires traders to show metric as well as imperial units
Also, measuring distance in Km is not the end of life as we know it
The UK used fahrenheit until relatively recently and money used to be in £ S D and we are still all here. Many Europeans (including the irish) also gave up their currencies for the € and they survived the experience too.
I do manage people all be it a team of 10, of which 1 has moved on
in the last 3 years and they get payed above min wage and are very
happy who get evenings out and thats payed for by the boss
infact this years xmas party is 2 limo's to the west end dinner and a show
I wonder how many employees Ryanai will take in lino to a West End show?
No, I said that the Truk laws and minimum wage regulations were put in place to protect workers from the type of rubbish that you spouted in your last post. AFAIK Ryanair comply with these laws to the letter.
the laws set up by the EU the same people who are trying
to get the uk to convert from miles to kilometers and eat bananas
that have the right amount of bend in them and change the way
we weigh things.
You have been reading the Sun too much, by the way the 1985 Weights and Measures Act already requires traders to show metric as well as imperial units
Also, measuring distance in Km is not the end of life as we know it
The UK used fahrenheit until relatively recently and money used to be in £ S D and we are still all here. Many Europeans (including the irish) also gave up their currencies for the € and they survived the experience too.I do manage people all be it a team of 10, of which 1 has moved on
in the last 3 years and they get payed above min wage and are very
happy who get evenings out and thats payed for by the boss
infact this years xmas party is 2 limo's to the west end dinner and a show
I wonder how many employees Ryanai will take in lino to a West End show?
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Without wanting to speak for F3G I don't think you have the first idea with regard to managing individuals.
Many of RYR employment contracts are written specfically to get around EU employment laws and the European Social Charter, especially with regard to temporary staff.
Without wanting to speak for F3G I don't think you have the first idea with regard to managing individuals.
Many of RYR employment contracts are written specfically to get around EU employment laws and the European Social Charter, especially with regard to temporary staff.
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thats abit below the belt RYR do not nor will not
take short cuts that will endanger any pax, staff, or a/c
and they will at some point come up against a new loco
but as a very profitable company they will then make
changes but why do it now its working and the airline
is breaking records and announcing loads of new routes
and buying 100's of new a/c taking on new bases
it might seem wrong to many how they run the company
but like i said its working and making loads of money
and yes your right its only a 10yr old company but
look where it got within that time
take short cuts that will endanger any pax, staff, or a/c
and they will at some point come up against a new loco
but as a very profitable company they will then make
changes but why do it now its working and the airline
is breaking records and announcing loads of new routes
and buying 100's of new a/c taking on new bases
it might seem wrong to many how they run the company
but like i said its working and making loads of money
and yes your right its only a 10yr old company but
look where it got within that time
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without wanting to repeat myself
If you dont like the airline or the terms of contract
dont go for the interview
If I was against war I would'nt join the army then
moan that I had to fight
If you dont like the airline or the terms of contract
dont go for the interview
If I was against war I would'nt join the army then
moan that I had to fight
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They do take certain short cuts, for example it's clear they don't check life jackets at every turnaround, because they don't have time. Whilst this particular transgression may not seem major (maybe other airlines do the same ?) but to any entity investigating a mishap this would be judged as being a 'culture' and if they don't check that what else don't they check ?
I don't think RYR are less safe than other airlines but if they had an incident they would be under the spotlight very severely. Read my post again (this is important in management
) I said 'perceived' shortcuts and it's true the public do perceive that RYR take short cuts.
They do take certain short cuts, for example it's clear they don't check life jackets at every turnaround, because they don't have time. Whilst this particular transgression may not seem major (maybe other airlines do the same ?) but to any entity investigating a mishap this would be judged as being a 'culture' and if they don't check that what else don't they check ?
I don't think RYR are less safe than other airlines but if they had an incident they would be under the spotlight very severely. Read my post again (this is important in management
) I said 'perceived' shortcuts and it's true the public do perceive that RYR take short cuts.
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you have been watching to much tv (DISPATCHERS) program
that was a load of bull
RYR have one of the newest fleets in the world
and such airlines as BA have been investigated for much worse
shortcuts
that was a load of bull
RYR have one of the newest fleets in the world
and such airlines as BA have been investigated for much worse
shortcuts
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Yes, those anglo-saxons, they can't even find the time to have a proper lunch
Maybe Daz will reveal his identity and I'll discover he's my boss
Daz, what is your loyalty to RYR ? do you work for them or a subcontractor ?
Yes, those anglo-saxons, they can't even find the time to have a proper lunch
Maybe Daz will reveal his identity and I'll discover he's my boss
Daz, what is your loyalty to RYR ? do you work for them or a subcontractor ?
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BA's safety record is pretty untouchable, in fact I believe (though I may be wrong as I'm doing this from memory) that they haven't had a crash since Staines, when they weren't BA in any case. If that is so than that's an awful lot of sectors over an awfully long time so they must be doing something right. Maybe they just have the right business culture ?
BA's safety record is pretty untouchable, in fact I believe (though I may be wrong as I'm doing this from memory) that they haven't had a crash since Staines, when they weren't BA in any case. If that is so than that's an awful lot of sectors over an awfully long time so they must be doing something right. Maybe they just have the right business culture ?
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http://www.villagemagazine.ie/articl...ud=10&aid=1094
I suppose that this article got its facts wrong too?
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Sadly BA had a middair in the former Jugoslavia in 1976, due to ATC error.
The Anglos wouldn't know what a good lunch was, even if they took the time for it :-)
I suppose that this article got its facts wrong too?
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Sadly BA had a middair in the former Jugoslavia in 1976, due to ATC error.
The Anglos wouldn't know what a good lunch was, even if they took the time for it :-)
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Certainly a management issue, to allow a pilot to command an aircraft just a couple of days after he buried one of his children is intolerable, to say that his manager wasn't aware of the situation would not be acceptable, any manager worth his position would have been aware of such a fact.
Ok, he may not have been forthcoming with the information but I'm fairly confident that if I'd spoken to one of my staff a few days after one of their children had died I'd have been able to see some sort of problem, in fact I'm 100% certain I'd have seen it.
Thanks fro the clarification about the incident in '76, I don't remember it, sadly.
Ok, he may not have been forthcoming with the information but I'm fairly confident that if I'd spoken to one of my staff a few days after one of their children had died I'd have been able to see some sort of problem, in fact I'm 100% certain I'd have seen it.
Thanks fro the clarification about the incident in '76, I don't remember it, sadly.
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untouchable safty record ?
Weirdly enough British Airways (BA) is yet again on the receiving end of a public dressing down from the UK's regulatory authorities. This time the Air Accidents Investigation Branch is giving them a very hard time indeed over what it found when it dug down into BA's maintenance empire after a medium-embarrassing incident with a 757 back in 2003.
That comes just a few weeks after the AAIB also jumped on an incident when a BA A319 crew shrugged off a mid-air electronics failure with rather more sang froid than the investigators felt was appropriate. And that was distressingly close to another report which also widened its remit from looking at a panel loss on take-off to several other events that the investigators felt were looking alarmingly like a pattern.
Surprise was also expressed in the business (though not unanimously, and mostly in the USA) when a BA crew flew a loaded 747-400 from Los Angeles to the UK after suffering an engine failure shortly after take-off.
That comes just a few weeks after the AAIB also jumped on an incident when a BA A319 crew shrugged off a mid-air electronics failure with rather more sang froid than the investigators felt was appropriate. And that was distressingly close to another report which also widened its remit from looking at a panel loss on take-off to several other events that the investigators felt were looking alarmingly like a pattern.
Surprise was also expressed in the business (though not unanimously, and mostly in the USA) when a BA crew flew a loaded 747-400 from Los Angeles to the UK after suffering an engine failure shortly after take-off.
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A Norwegian court sentenced on Friday (24 June) the pilot of a British Airways aircraft for preparing to fly even though members of his crew were drunk.
The court found that the British Airways pilot was sober but must have known his co-pilot was intoxicated when preparing for takeoff. The pilot was sentenced to six months in prison, while the flight's purser was sentenced to 45 days in prison for being drunk on duty. A similar case against the co-pilot is still pending.
On 11 November 2003 a British Airways Airbus A320 was scheduled to leave from Oslo to London with 55 passengers. British Airways ground personnel suspected some of the crew of being intoxicated and called police, who went aboard to conduct breath tests. The flight was cancelled and police took the pilot, the co-pilot and purser to hospital for blood tests, which found that the co-pilot had a blood alcohol level of 1.02 ppm, while the purser's level was 1.34 ppm, reported the Associated Press.
The court found that the British Airways pilot was sober but must have known his co-pilot was intoxicated when preparing for takeoff. The pilot was sentenced to six months in prison, while the flight's purser was sentenced to 45 days in prison for being drunk on duty. A similar case against the co-pilot is still pending.
On 11 November 2003 a British Airways Airbus A320 was scheduled to leave from Oslo to London with 55 passengers. British Airways ground personnel suspected some of the crew of being intoxicated and called police, who went aboard to conduct breath tests. The flight was cancelled and police took the pilot, the co-pilot and purser to hospital for blood tests, which found that the co-pilot had a blood alcohol level of 1.02 ppm, while the purser's level was 1.34 ppm, reported the Associated Press.
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Three years ago an investigation showed a co-pilot and steward downing five-pint jugs of beer in 45 minutes, then laughing about how they were unfit to fly to Gatwick next day in their 747. Fourteen British Airways staff were suspended and two later dismissed after the probe - but within six months of the programme eight had been reinstated.
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Yet more BA cabin crew 'fail breath test'
Two air stewardesses were prevented from boarding a British Airways flight from Helsinki to London, after allegedly failing a breath test. oct 2004
BA confirmed two cabin crew members were taken to the airport police station in the Finnish capital on Saturday
Two air stewardesses were prevented from boarding a British Airways flight from Helsinki to London, after allegedly failing a breath test. oct 2004
BA confirmed two cabin crew members were taken to the airport police station in the Finnish capital on Saturday
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untouchable ?
British Airways audit finds poor safety
LONDON, Jan. 1 (UPI) -- An investigation into three years of mechanical problems for British Airways jets finds "systematic issues" jeopardizing safety.
A report by the Air Accident Investigation Branch highlighted a number of incidents over the past three years, The Sunday Times of London reports.
The report pointed out no individual mechanic was willfully negligent but problems were "symptomatic of the existing culture" of bad maintenance practices and lack of quality supervision.
LONDON, Jan. 1 (UPI) -- An investigation into three years of mechanical problems for British Airways jets finds "systematic issues" jeopardizing safety.
A report by the Air Accident Investigation Branch highlighted a number of incidents over the past three years, The Sunday Times of London reports.
The report pointed out no individual mechanic was willfully negligent but problems were "symptomatic of the existing culture" of bad maintenance practices and lack of quality supervision.