Uk Airport Chaos (hand wringing thread)
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I do not miss the point. I agree they seem to have a certain lack of logic, on the surface.
Look first at why the baggage restrictions are there. To prevent the anyone taking liquid and electrics.
By banning all hand bagagge they are preventing confusion and further delay, it's very simple just comply with it.
The reason why everything is banned is because there were previously many items which were prohibited, it didn't stop people thinking that prohibition applied to everyone except for them. This way, its easy, no one takes anything, end. No potential to take things through, less aggro for security staff, and everyone stays safe (ish). If everyone plays by the rules, the delays will ease. If they don't they wont.
The restrictions on day one, did cause delay, yes, because the first anyone knew was when they arrived at airports. Now, the same restrictions are in place, and the delays are reducing, greatly.
Now, as you and others rightly point out, its a pain. I agree, but its nothing more than that. So you can't take a lap top. Big deal, it may suprise you, but 20 or so years ago, no one took a laptop. Some people may have to be surgicaly removed from their mobile. Good! They are a blood pain, and the world would be better off with out them. Again, suprise to some, they didn't exisit some 20 years ago. And guess what, we all managed!
Yes, there are other ways of getting Europe, and I'm sure for a while, Eurotunnel will welcome the extra money. These restrictions will ease at some point though. In the meantime, just go with it. I'd rather this than the alternative.
I grant you, the return trip may not have the same protection. Well, thats life. There's sod all the UK Goverment can do about it, in respect of nion UK airlines.
I do not miss the point. I agree they seem to have a certain lack of logic, on the surface.
Look first at why the baggage restrictions are there. To prevent the anyone taking liquid and electrics.
By banning all hand bagagge they are preventing confusion and further delay, it's very simple just comply with it.
The reason why everything is banned is because there were previously many items which were prohibited, it didn't stop people thinking that prohibition applied to everyone except for them. This way, its easy, no one takes anything, end. No potential to take things through, less aggro for security staff, and everyone stays safe (ish). If everyone plays by the rules, the delays will ease. If they don't they wont.
The restrictions on day one, did cause delay, yes, because the first anyone knew was when they arrived at airports. Now, the same restrictions are in place, and the delays are reducing, greatly.
Now, as you and others rightly point out, its a pain. I agree, but its nothing more than that. So you can't take a lap top. Big deal, it may suprise you, but 20 or so years ago, no one took a laptop. Some people may have to be surgicaly removed from their mobile. Good! They are a blood pain, and the world would be better off with out them. Again, suprise to some, they didn't exisit some 20 years ago. And guess what, we all managed!
Yes, there are other ways of getting Europe, and I'm sure for a while, Eurotunnel will welcome the extra money. These restrictions will ease at some point though. In the meantime, just go with it. I'd rather this than the alternative.
I grant you, the return trip may not have the same protection. Well, thats life. There's sod all the UK Goverment can do about it, in respect of nion UK airlines.
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By banning all hand bagagge they are preventing confusion and further delay, it's very simple just comply with it.
How about engaging the brain before acting? No, no, no. It's much simpler the other way. Just comply with it.Just comply with it. Just comply with it. Just comply with it. Just comply with it. Just comply with it. Just comply with it.
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! I'm sick of seeing it explained a million times to those who will not see.
You said just comply with it!
PS:Thanks for the insult, one knows when one's winning that way!
PPS: It is drivEL!
Thats not to say that I don't understand the incovience (sic) of things being nicked from hold bags. I certainly wouldn't put my camera gear in there, not so much from any ability or otherwise to claim for it being nicked, more the inconvience (sic).
PS:Thanks for the insult, one knows when one's winning that way!
PPS: It is drivEL!
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Cobblers? What were the delays on day one? A great deal more, ergo, delays have reduced greatly.
20 years ago there were very few laptops. Correct Sherlock. Thats why very few people carried them and fewer still took them by air. And Guess what, the World kept spinning. Lesson? The world does not depend on lap tops.
I said, yes, in parts of this policy there does seems to be a lack of logic. That applies to things like newspapers, magazines & books. Although, I can see the point in say nothing to be taken to the search areas apart from the items listed by the DfT. It saves them having to be gone though. Yes, the apparent lack of logic appears to be compounded by being able to buy items airside, but in reality its just an issue of trying to reduce delay. The fact is, no it doesn't work, but would it work any better if you were allowed to take hand baggage in? No, with the extra searching required, it would make delays longer.
Cobblers? What were the delays on day one? A great deal more, ergo, delays have reduced greatly.
20 years ago there were very few laptops. Correct Sherlock. Thats why very few people carried them and fewer still took them by air. And Guess what, the World kept spinning. Lesson? The world does not depend on lap tops.
I said, yes, in parts of this policy there does seems to be a lack of logic. That applies to things like newspapers, magazines & books. Although, I can see the point in say nothing to be taken to the search areas apart from the items listed by the DfT. It saves them having to be gone though. Yes, the apparent lack of logic appears to be compounded by being able to buy items airside, but in reality its just an issue of trying to reduce delay. The fact is, no it doesn't work, but would it work any better if you were allowed to take hand baggage in? No, with the extra searching required, it would make delays longer.
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No one's insisting you take part in the discussion are they?
So, if you are sick of explaining, go and do something else.
Yes, I did say comply with it. I also said I wouldn't put my camera gear in hold luggage. Which means, I wouldn't take it by air at the moment. I can live without it, and the world will keep spinning.....
Thanks for your spell check. Always appriciate it from those of greater intelect.
No one's insisting you take part in the discussion are they?
So, if you are sick of explaining, go and do something else.
Yes, I did say comply with it. I also said I wouldn't put my camera gear in hold luggage. Which means, I wouldn't take it by air at the moment. I can live without it, and the world will keep spinning.....
Thanks for your spell check. Always appriciate it from those of greater intelect.
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There are none so blind as those who will not see…
Airport checks 'not sustainable'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4787161.stm
He (Tony Douglas, BAA's chief executive officer for Heathrow) added: "Quite simply I don't know how long it's likely to go on, but it's clearly a set of measures that are unprecedented and by virtue of what they've come in to enforce, they're not sustainable measures." We all know what he really means…
“How about engaging the brain before acting?” (I wasn’t talking about YOU bjcc, it’s the awforrities) Oh hang on, no, no, no, it's much simpler the other way. Just comply with it. It’s easier.
Sorry if I’ve upset you here inadvertently, but I won’t disappear just because you wish it. No one's insisting YOU take part in the discussion are they? Do you seriously believe these measures ARE sustainable for non-Luddite travellers?
And it’s intellect…
Airport checks 'not sustainable'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4787161.stm
He (Tony Douglas, BAA's chief executive officer for Heathrow) added: "Quite simply I don't know how long it's likely to go on, but it's clearly a set of measures that are unprecedented and by virtue of what they've come in to enforce, they're not sustainable measures." We all know what he really means…
“How about engaging the brain before acting?” (I wasn’t talking about YOU bjcc, it’s the awforrities) Oh hang on, no, no, no, it's much simpler the other way. Just comply with it. It’s easier.
Correct Sherlock.
Sorry if I’ve upset you here inadvertently, but I won’t disappear just because you wish it. No one's insisting YOU take part in the discussion are they? Do you seriously believe these measures ARE sustainable for non-Luddite travellers?
And it’s intellect…
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Its small, about the size of a Fisherman Friends box and would go in your shirt pocket.
The data is many more times valuable than the PC for a lot of business people.
Thinking laterally, a Ghost DVD (a self booting disk image) carried in the cabin would be at least some insurance against loss of PC - but I guess that we can't take DVDs either.
Its small, about the size of a Fisherman Friends box and would go in your shirt pocket.
The data is many more times valuable than the PC for a lot of business people.
Thinking laterally, a Ghost DVD (a self booting disk image) carried in the cabin would be at least some insurance against loss of PC - but I guess that we can't take DVDs either.
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"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
Your dog really is good at spelling.
Did I say these restrictions are sustainable? Erm, no.
Actually though some are. The restrictions on hand baggage are, very sustainable. It would save the BAA a fortune, not to mention a great deal of waisted Police time and a few people who really shouldn't be being arrested.
That does not mean I think they will stay, I don't.
As to comlying with it? Well, there's really no option, if you want to fly is there. So why moan about something you can't change, and wont stop the world.
Now what was it you said about insults and winning??????
"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
Your dog really is good at spelling.
Did I say these restrictions are sustainable? Erm, no.
Actually though some are. The restrictions on hand baggage are, very sustainable. It would save the BAA a fortune, not to mention a great deal of waisted Police time and a few people who really shouldn't be being arrested.
That does not mean I think they will stay, I don't.
As to comlying with it? Well, there's really no option, if you want to fly is there. So why moan about something you can't change, and wont stop the world.
Now what was it you said about insults and winning??????
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And Guess what, the World kept spinning. Lesson? The world does not depend on lap tops.
You really do take the art of myopic philosophy to a level of competency that few can master.
Did you know that at one stage people thought that the Earth was flat and in recent history others fought a court case to denounce Darwin's theories?
Given your comments about laptops and mobiles, I can only think that globalization passed you by without catching your attention.
The world does not depend on latops, but the business community does.
As to comlying with it? Well, there's really no option
I don't really wish to make a jet blast type of post here, but the UK government brought in a number of regulations that I did not think were compatible with running a micro business and also told a large number of self employed people that we were not paying the "right amount of tax."
The net result is that I redomiciled my business away from the UK and now live outside the UK. Many others did too.
The UK government lost a significant amount of taxation as a result.
So there is a choice in this global village and the business community will make it.
People of limited vision like yourself will at least find the queues shorter at the airport.
And Guess what, the World kept spinning. Lesson? The world does not depend on lap tops.
You really do take the art of myopic philosophy to a level of competency that few can master.
Did you know that at one stage people thought that the Earth was flat and in recent history others fought a court case to denounce Darwin's theories?
Given your comments about laptops and mobiles, I can only think that globalization passed you by without catching your attention.
The world does not depend on latops, but the business community does.
As to comlying with it? Well, there's really no option
I don't really wish to make a jet blast type of post here, but the UK government brought in a number of regulations that I did not think were compatible with running a micro business and also told a large number of self employed people that we were not paying the "right amount of tax."
The net result is that I redomiciled my business away from the UK and now live outside the UK. Many others did too.
The UK government lost a significant amount of taxation as a result.
So there is a choice in this global village and the business community will make it.
People of limited vision like yourself will at least find the queues shorter at the airport.
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One in Three Flights Cancelled at Heathrow
At 2000 tonight the BAA advised that all airlines who operated more than three flights (in a day) would have to cancel 30% of their schedule on Sunday 13 August. Airlines were required to submit a revised schedule to show this reduction by 2300. Three hours to revise schedules completely! Clearly the hand baggage situation is unsustainable how long before total gridlock ensues? What is going to happen to the 30% of passengers affected? Someone in Government must take a clear and decisive lead to save our industry.
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No, the Globalisation bit didn't pass me by. My Brother in law is in the IT buisness, and has the same restrictions as you, and other businessmen have. He's over the moon. It means he can sit at home and do his job. Something he's been advocating for years, in otherwords exactly what the internet and global communications was supposed to achieve.
No one is preventing you from taking your laptop with you, all that is being done is you are being made to take it in the hold. Yes, I agree thats a risk, it may not be there when you pick up your baggage. Thats a different point, and one where I'd agree something should have been done a long time ago to prevent thefts from baggage. In spite of well publisised operations against baggage thefts they still happen. There are ways of stopping it, but that would be seen as oppresive and contravening human rights, and probably lead to more delays as the baggage handlers would go on strike.
Cahibahn
Yes, As I recall the DfT can make regulations regardiing baggage and passenger searches. Even if they couldn't, the airline has the right to refuse you travel, and the airport authority the right to refuse you entry airside. The result of which is that even if there were no regulation, just DfT edict, then if you did not comply with the rules, you wouldn't be able to fly.
No, the Globalisation bit didn't pass me by. My Brother in law is in the IT buisness, and has the same restrictions as you, and other businessmen have. He's over the moon. It means he can sit at home and do his job. Something he's been advocating for years, in otherwords exactly what the internet and global communications was supposed to achieve.
No one is preventing you from taking your laptop with you, all that is being done is you are being made to take it in the hold. Yes, I agree thats a risk, it may not be there when you pick up your baggage. Thats a different point, and one where I'd agree something should have been done a long time ago to prevent thefts from baggage. In spite of well publisised operations against baggage thefts they still happen. There are ways of stopping it, but that would be seen as oppresive and contravening human rights, and probably lead to more delays as the baggage handlers would go on strike.
Cahibahn
Yes, As I recall the DfT can make regulations regardiing baggage and passenger searches. Even if they couldn't, the airline has the right to refuse you travel, and the airport authority the right to refuse you entry airside. The result of which is that even if there were no regulation, just DfT edict, then if you did not comply with the rules, you wouldn't be able to fly.
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No one is preventing you from taking your laptop with you
Damn right they are not, since I shall not use the UK to connect until a more reasonable balance is found.
You just aren't getting it, are you?
Globalization is about the impact of market and other forces and the subsequent competition driving how things are done.
Water will find it's own level, by the easiest means and governments who do not take this message on board are playing with fire, as far as their wealth creation capabilities and by extension their ability to provide the required social environment are concerned.
Damn right they are not, since I shall not use the UK to connect until a more reasonable balance is found.
You just aren't getting it, are you?
Globalization is about the impact of market and other forces and the subsequent competition driving how things are done.
Water will find it's own level, by the easiest means and governments who do not take this message on board are playing with fire, as far as their wealth creation capabilities and by extension their ability to provide the required social environment are concerned.
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how about canx 1 in 3 government ministers
or 1 in 3 BAA airports......
It would be a good start, to get the attention of those who are designated / elected to look after our interests...
Bumz
It would be a good start, to get the attention of those who are designated / elected to look after our interests...
Bumz
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"There are none so blind as those who will not see" Your dog really is good at spelling.
Actually though some are. The restrictions on hand baggage are, very sustainable.
waisted Police time… … a few people who really shouldn't be being arrested.
As to comlying with it? Well, there's really no option, if you want to fly is there.
Now what was it you said about insults and winning??????
From your delight at these current draconic (one way) regulations, I can only assume that your livelihood does not depend on aviation.
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bjcc is or was a patrol cop.
Rules are rules, don't question them, just comply, simple.
You're banging your head against the barn wall here and all you'll have at the end is a sore head.
From your delight at these current draconic (one way) regulations, I can only assume that your livelihood does not depend on aviation.
Rules are rules, don't question them, just comply, simple.
You're banging your head against the barn wall here and all you'll have at the end is a sore head.
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Rules are rules, don't question them, just comply, simple.