TIME FOR A PAX WEIGHT/BUILD LIMIT?
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Oversized pax
Ok lets discriminate against oversized pax - provided that it's done for those who are too big in length as well as in width!
After all, i have been prevented from reclining my seat by pax behind whose legs are too long. They should also be obliged to buy two seats or upgrade.
Many "fat" people are simply too short relative to their weight.
The Netherlands has the tallest population in the world and house door heights have been adjusted accordingly. Do you think this is taken into acount by their national carrier KLM?
Fat chance!
After all, i have been prevented from reclining my seat by pax behind whose legs are too long. They should also be obliged to buy two seats or upgrade.
Many "fat" people are simply too short relative to their weight.
The Netherlands has the tallest population in the world and house door heights have been adjusted accordingly. Do you think this is taken into acount by their national carrier KLM?
Fat chance!
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I definitely think that the permitted carriage weight should be passenger+baggage, not just baggage. It's ludicrous to charge someone a small fortune for having a few extra kg in their luggage but do nothing about passengers carrying an extra 30kg about their person.
But no Euro airline is brave enough to make the first move
But no Euro airline is brave enough to make the first move
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Baggage
Dear Derekvader,
Sorry, canīt agree. Luggage is a matter of choice. Oneīs weight is most often not. When my family spent a month last year in the far east we each took one small suitcase as cabin baggage. Nothing more. When you look at the number of travellers who appear to take everything including the kitchen sink, you wonder what the hell they need it all for!
There is a considerable difference between genetics, which largely determines your adult weight and sheer greed/idiocy which determines what you drag with you in terms of baggage.
Again, fine if you want to charge "big" passengers more, but only if it applies to "big" in any direction!
Sorry, canīt agree. Luggage is a matter of choice. Oneīs weight is most often not. When my family spent a month last year in the far east we each took one small suitcase as cabin baggage. Nothing more. When you look at the number of travellers who appear to take everything including the kitchen sink, you wonder what the hell they need it all for!
There is a considerable difference between genetics, which largely determines your adult weight and sheer greed/idiocy which determines what you drag with you in terms of baggage.
Again, fine if you want to charge "big" passengers more, but only if it applies to "big" in any direction!
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Originally Posted by daedalus
Dear Derekvader,
Sorry, canīt agree. Luggage is a matter of choice. Oneīs weight is most often not.
Sorry, canīt agree. Luggage is a matter of choice. Oneīs weight is most often not.
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I think both D's have a point. Someone who's 6 inches taller than me may well be heavier, but 'thinner' if you see what I mean. OTOH everyone can control their own weight to a great extent - as a grizzled old GP once put it to me (in the pre-PC days) "no-one ever came out of Belsen overweight".
Having had the misfortune to arrive back at BHX on LH at the same time as some holiday flight from Corfu on Friday night, I was treated to the joy of the 20 minute T2 immigration queue...
But what struck me most (apart from the skimpy top worn by one very attractive young lady!) was the very high proportion of fat pensioners in track suits who were waddling up and down the labyrinthine maze to the 3 (out of 9) passport desks. It is not just fat kids who are becoming the problem - it extends across all generations.
I cannot imagine how unpleasant it must be to be crushed into the minimal seat pitches on such flights with some of those porkers on board.
But what struck me most (apart from the skimpy top worn by one very attractive young lady!) was the very high proportion of fat pensioners in track suits who were waddling up and down the labyrinthine maze to the 3 (out of 9) passport desks. It is not just fat kids who are becoming the problem - it extends across all generations.
I cannot imagine how unpleasant it must be to be crushed into the minimal seat pitches on such flights with some of those porkers on board.
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Have also experienced this, seriously squashed whilst in a window seat from ORD to LAX, whilst huge sweaty gentleman concerned ate three in-flight meals, and then spent the rest of the flight picking his nose and wiping it on the seat cushion. I can map from memory the whole landscape of the USA along this route 
. I just don't see why others should have to put up with this. It's another reason I'd rather have dentristy performed than get on a flight. As for tall people though, that's just the way they are, not their fault.??
. I just don't see why others should have to put up with this. It's another reason I'd rather have dentristy performed than get on a flight. As for tall people though, that's just the way they are, not their fault.??
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BO and pax
I am wondering whether it might not be possible to incorporate a type of BO meter into the current walk-through metal detectors. Travelling particularly in South Asia, it is absolutely disgusting to find pax being allowed on board who literally stink out the entire aircraft. There must be a scientific and objective way to set a limit and deny boarding to people who are beyond.
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Fat Pensioners
Perhaps Age brings less mobility.
Perhaps Less mobility brings difficulties controlling weight.
Perhaps Weight is impacted more by less mobility through age, than diet.
Perhaps Less mobility produces walking difficulties.
Perhaps Fat Pensioners have less dress sense than Thin Pensioners.
Perhaps Fat Pensioners should be banned from travelling by air.
Perhaps All pensioners should remain on board the aircraft until other passengers have cleared the airport.
Perhaps 'Pensioners Only' flights should be considered.
Perhaps Holiday flights with pensioners on board should use a different terminal to scheduled flights.
Certainly Far greater tolerance, consideration and respect towards Senior Citizens is blatently obvious.
Perhaps Less mobility brings difficulties controlling weight.
Perhaps Weight is impacted more by less mobility through age, than diet.
Perhaps Less mobility produces walking difficulties.
Perhaps Fat Pensioners have less dress sense than Thin Pensioners.
Perhaps Fat Pensioners should be banned from travelling by air.
Perhaps All pensioners should remain on board the aircraft until other passengers have cleared the airport.
Perhaps 'Pensioners Only' flights should be considered.
Perhaps Holiday flights with pensioners on board should use a different terminal to scheduled flights.
Certainly Far greater tolerance, consideration and respect towards Senior Citizens is blatently obvious.
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I just want to second that the SWA policy is one of the best policies ever written. I actually bookmarked it.
Especially "encroachment", "extended" and "fluctuate"
made me take my hat off to the writer
Especially "encroachment", "extended" and "fluctuate"
Customers who traveled without full access to the seat purchased due to encroachment by a large seatmate whose body extended into the neighboring seat.
Because size can fluctuate, we are unable to give blanket authorization.
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[quote=FanPilot]Hi,
Now, I am 6'4 and naturally long legs. I cannot do anything about it. My height is purely as nature intended. However, due to the natural growth, I am penalised if I want extra room for my legs. I am either not safe in the aircraft (in the case of emergency) or I have to pay extra. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no choice as to my height. I cannot do anything to become smaller. (an unfortunate side effect as well is that I am fairly heavy (230 pounds) but I look slim and can most certainly fit a seat with no spillover).
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If there is to be a penalty for being overweight then somebody has to arbitrate, for like FanPilot I am also 6'4" but 250 pounds (going down slowly) but am definitely not fat. I can even sit in an easyJ seat without distress to pax either side, can't move my legs much but I would get seriously hacked off at check in if I was penalised on the weight rather than size issue.
Now, I am 6'4 and naturally long legs. I cannot do anything about it. My height is purely as nature intended. However, due to the natural growth, I am penalised if I want extra room for my legs. I am either not safe in the aircraft (in the case of emergency) or I have to pay extra. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no choice as to my height. I cannot do anything to become smaller. (an unfortunate side effect as well is that I am fairly heavy (230 pounds) but I look slim and can most certainly fit a seat with no spillover).
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If there is to be a penalty for being overweight then somebody has to arbitrate, for like FanPilot I am also 6'4" but 250 pounds (going down slowly) but am definitely not fat. I can even sit in an easyJ seat without distress to pax either side, can't move my legs much but I would get seriously hacked off at check in if I was penalised on the weight rather than size issue.
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Fat Pax
Just to reply to the post which repeated the old saw "nobody came out of Belsen overweight."
Indeed not, but have you ever considered that the only people who came out of Belsen were the ones who were fat to begin with?
Indeed not, but have you ever considered that the only people who came out of Belsen were the ones who were fat to begin with?
