Increased security on UK-Ireland routes?
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"I checked carefully that the sign stated that British Nationals could bypass Irish immigration"
Christep...with all due respect, but none of the Immigration signs at Dublin airport say that, Signs are marked "EU Citizens" & "Non-EU Citzens"
But even at that, I do admit that the signage at Dublin is very poor and gives the impression that it was put together by a 5 year old, who ever is in charge of Immigration at Dublin should get a kick in the pants and bring the Immigration areas and signage into this century. The immigration area at Pier A is a disgrace, Pier B looks like a second world airport and Pier C ic too small when TransAtlantic flights arrive each morning circa 1000 and PAX are mixed with European and UK flights
Christep...with all due respect, but none of the Immigration signs at Dublin airport say that, Signs are marked "EU Citizens" & "Non-EU Citzens"
But even at that, I do admit that the signage at Dublin is very poor and gives the impression that it was put together by a 5 year old, who ever is in charge of Immigration at Dublin should get a kick in the pants and bring the Immigration areas and signage into this century. The immigration area at Pier A is a disgrace, Pier B looks like a second world airport and Pier C ic too small when TransAtlantic flights arrive each morning circa 1000 and PAX are mixed with European and UK flights
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Well in that case they have changed since I was there (which I will admit was over a year ago). At that time the signage encountered when arriving on EI from LHR said "Nationals of EU Countries" (of something very like that). Obviously someone spotted that "National"!="Citizen".
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I can't speak for the signs at Dublin airport, although I may have the "pleasure" of seeing them at the end of August.
However, according to my trusty book, the Aliens (Amendment) (No 3) Order 1997 means that "aliens" do not have the privilege of entering Ireland without passports. "Aliens" are defined by the Aliens (Amendment) (No 2) Order 1999 as those who are not citizens of Saorstat Eireann or British citizens.
As christep rightly observes, "British citizens" is a subset of the wider group of "British nationals" (the ambit of which is not clearly defined anyway), so his British national non-British citizen girlfriend was getting away with it!
However, pace patdavies, "British citizens" do exist (as do "British overseas territories citizens" and "British Overseas citizens") - see the British Nationality Act 1981, as amended by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002.
However, according to my trusty book, the Aliens (Amendment) (No 3) Order 1997 means that "aliens" do not have the privilege of entering Ireland without passports. "Aliens" are defined by the Aliens (Amendment) (No 2) Order 1999 as those who are not citizens of Saorstat Eireann or British citizens.
As christep rightly observes, "British citizens" is a subset of the wider group of "British nationals" (the ambit of which is not clearly defined anyway), so his British national non-British citizen girlfriend was getting away with it!
However, pace patdavies, "British citizens" do exist (as do "British overseas territories citizens" and "British Overseas citizens") - see the British Nationality Act 1981, as amended by the British Overseas Territories Act 2002.
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To clarify the Dublin airport situation...
Pier A arrivals are mixed.
Pier B has separate corridors for "Domestic and UK passengers" and all others.
Pier C also has separate corridors for pax arrving from Ireland/UK and everywhere else.
It is only Pier A where they are mixed.
Still, this raises the question that if most airport facilities here were designed such that Irish-UK flights had separate "lanes" for arriving pax, why are some passengers now being checked?
I always remember never being looked at when flying between UK and Ireland.. there was not even an inspection counter! You just went straight through to baggage claim. What has changed all of a sudden?
Having a common travel area should imply that the inspections are done at first point of arrival into the common travel area, rather like the schengen situation.. the passport controller at Schiphol, or wherever, is admitting the passenger into all the Schengen states, not just the Netherlands, and there are no further border inspections.
Therefore, a UK border inspector admits a passenger into not just the UK but into Ireland as well and vice versa.
If they cannot manage the situation in that fashion without all this haphazzard nonsense, they should simply scrap the common travel area!
Pier A arrivals are mixed.
Pier B has separate corridors for "Domestic and UK passengers" and all others.
Pier C also has separate corridors for pax arrving from Ireland/UK and everywhere else.
It is only Pier A where they are mixed.
Still, this raises the question that if most airport facilities here were designed such that Irish-UK flights had separate "lanes" for arriving pax, why are some passengers now being checked?
I always remember never being looked at when flying between UK and Ireland.. there was not even an inspection counter! You just went straight through to baggage claim. What has changed all of a sudden?
Having a common travel area should imply that the inspections are done at first point of arrival into the common travel area, rather like the schengen situation.. the passport controller at Schiphol, or wherever, is admitting the passenger into all the Schengen states, not just the Netherlands, and there are no further border inspections.
Therefore, a UK border inspector admits a passenger into not just the UK but into Ireland as well and vice versa.
If they cannot manage the situation in that fashion without all this haphazzard nonsense, they should simply scrap the common travel area!
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SNNEI;
Instead of clarifying the situation at DUB, you have added some mud to the water, allow me to "Clarify exactly" the current situation at DUB, as of yesterday......
Pier A ..... PAX from Domestic, UK (CTA) and European flights are all mixed and funnelled into being examined by 3 Immigration positions
Pier B ..... Pax from Domestic, UK (CTA), European, Transatlantic, Sth Africa, and non-EU flights are all mixed on arrival into 6 Immigration positions. The seperate corridors for Domestic & UK PAX being discontinued approx 3 months ago
Pier C .... Exactly the same as Pier B situation, but never appears to have more than 4/5 Immigration officials working
"Therefore, a UK border inspector admits a passenger into not just the UK but into Ireland as well and vice versa"....Totally true
"If they cannot manage the situation in that fashion without all this haphazzard nonsense, they should simply scrap the common travel area!"....I could not agree with you more
Instead of clarifying the situation at DUB, you have added some mud to the water, allow me to "Clarify exactly" the current situation at DUB, as of yesterday......
Pier A ..... PAX from Domestic, UK (CTA) and European flights are all mixed and funnelled into being examined by 3 Immigration positions
Pier B ..... Pax from Domestic, UK (CTA), European, Transatlantic, Sth Africa, and non-EU flights are all mixed on arrival into 6 Immigration positions. The seperate corridors for Domestic & UK PAX being discontinued approx 3 months ago
Pier C .... Exactly the same as Pier B situation, but never appears to have more than 4/5 Immigration officials working
"Therefore, a UK border inspector admits a passenger into not just the UK but into Ireland as well and vice versa"....Totally true
"If they cannot manage the situation in that fashion without all this haphazzard nonsense, they should simply scrap the common travel area!"....I could not agree with you more
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Hey Guys;
Seems like the same thing is going on at Dublin again...Checks at Dublin Airport for PAX travelling, while they were walking to Pier B at the duty free
Saw Immigration officers with "Garda" High Vis jackets and "other gentlemen" with them who had English accents and temp. ID's on them
Seems like the same thing is going on at Dublin again...Checks at Dublin Airport for PAX travelling, while they were walking to Pier B at the duty free
Saw Immigration officers with "Garda" High Vis jackets and "other gentlemen" with them who had English accents and temp. ID's on them
