Ryanair, that's a bit rich
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Well said Kinetic. No matter what Ryanair was to do there would still be some people out their, mostly working for competitiors that would moan like mad.
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They are maybe finding it harder to make a profit but who isn't. While they are having to work harder they are still one of the most profitable airlines in the world and this will continue as long as the full fare airlines keep their prices so high and don't provide services from the airports where the passengers want to fly from and too.
The airports they are using may well be secondary but that doesn't mean they are not where the passengers want to go.
Don't forget, if the passenger are paying a few pounds flying with Ryanair it also means that they are not flying with Ryanairs competitors. Despite what the Ryan bashers say, the passengers are the winners by being able to fly at a price that was beyond the reach of most people only a few years ago.
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They are maybe finding it harder to make a profit but who isn't. While they are having to work harder they are still one of the most profitable airlines in the world and this will continue as long as the full fare airlines keep their prices so high and don't provide services from the airports where the passengers want to fly from and too.
The airports they are using may well be secondary but that doesn't mean they are not where the passengers want to go.
Don't forget, if the passenger are paying a few pounds flying with Ryanair it also means that they are not flying with Ryanairs competitors. Despite what the Ryan bashers say, the passengers are the winners by being able to fly at a price that was beyond the reach of most people only a few years ago.
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I will not try to argue for or against, simply because it is too easy to do either, what I will do is bring a quick point to Wizofoz regarding the
"the phenomena of operating from secondary airports is alien to most Aussies"
True but apparently with the advent of Qantas new low fare airline Jet star we will soon learn what a true Lo Co carrier has to offer, with Avalon airport 60kms + south west (don't quote me on it) of Melbourne Central bussiness district as the secondary airport used by jets star, in addition to the no seat allocation and much much more.
And yes you guest it a Ryan Air employer is assisting QF setting up their new venture.
Virgin Blue is Lo Co but still tries and offers their customer a little more than your tipical true Lo Co company.
So Aussie will soon find out what a tru low fare airlines has to offer.
Happy Flying
"the phenomena of operating from secondary airports is alien to most Aussies"
True but apparently with the advent of Qantas new low fare airline Jet star we will soon learn what a true Lo Co carrier has to offer, with Avalon airport 60kms + south west (don't quote me on it) of Melbourne Central bussiness district as the secondary airport used by jets star, in addition to the no seat allocation and much much more.
And yes you guest it a Ryan Air employer is assisting QF setting up their new venture.
Virgin Blue is Lo Co but still tries and offers their customer a little more than your tipical true Lo Co company.
So Aussie will soon find out what a tru low fare airlines has to offer.
Happy Flying
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As has been stated, this was an article written for an Australian newspaper for an Australian audience. An audience that has up untill now never had the "secondary" airport thing to deal with.
With Jet* forming up and using secondary airports I dare say aussies when travelling to Europe will be more aware of the use of secondary (often limited facilities) airports and will be wiser.
I've used Ryanair and I have had no dramas with them. Often, the secondary airport that they use is more convenient.
With Jet* forming up and using secondary airports I dare say aussies when travelling to Europe will be more aware of the use of secondary (often limited facilities) airports and will be wiser.
I've used Ryanair and I have had no dramas with them. Often, the secondary airport that they use is more convenient.
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Rather than deteriorating the passenger numbers keep on climbing
Give it a wee while and RYR will see how true this statement is!
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If there were an award for most inappropriate use of a quote, bea, you'd have won it. Exactly who are Ryanair fooling and why? And how? And when? And where?
Twenty years running, 42% increase in passengers last year, load factors of 84% and a profit of 239 million Euros.
I'm not saying they're the greatest for service but the numbers speak for themselves. Clearly the job they're doing isn't all bad, and quite clearly they aren't going broke.
Sorry to be an ar$e, but you really must think before leaping on whatever bandwagon happens to passing.
Twenty years running, 42% increase in passengers last year, load factors of 84% and a profit of 239 million Euros.
I'm not saying they're the greatest for service but the numbers speak for themselves. Clearly the job they're doing isn't all bad, and quite clearly they aren't going broke.
Sorry to be an ar$e, but you really must think before leaping on whatever bandwagon happens to passing.
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Kinetic, RW31 etc.
How can anyone compare an airport with, apparently, no effective pubic transport to the city with which it is being linked to Stansted as linked to London? The transport links between Stansted and London are, I understand, rather good, and I am certain take under an hour (as I have taken many a train to Cambridge from London, which is further, and can taske less than an hour). Has anyone justified that comparrison with any comment on the transport links in Leipzig?
How can anyone compare an airport with, apparently, no effective pubic transport to the city with which it is being linked to Stansted as linked to London? The transport links between Stansted and London are, I understand, rather good, and I am certain take under an hour (as I have taken many a train to Cambridge from London, which is further, and can taske less than an hour). Has anyone justified that comparrison with any comment on the transport links in Leipzig?
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Strange that everytime someone strat a thread on RYR , emotions starts to hide the original question.
The question was not wether RYR is s successful company ( it is at the moment ), what type of aircraft it uses and how old they are, but rather on how they inform their pax and how they treat them.
As an Airline RYR is OK, the fares are unbeatable ( if you book early ) Their safety record is good, they pay their crew nicely and deliver a good product for most of the fares you pay.
What is not so good,is the way they treat their pax and hide the facts in the small print. I understand it is a marketing stategy but we are allowed not to agree without being called RYR bashers...
I would challenge that RYR would gain in calling its airport their real names with near to... in brackets beside it , and use friendlier staff at check in with their policies clearly explained and fixed once and for all.
I have no problem with 40min check in cut off, 1 piece of hand, 10 euros above 15 Kg, no connections guarantee, service charges , credit card charges per pax, non-refundable airport taxes, no-return guarantee. etc.. etc.. if they were more obvious about it.
An aside , the above restrictions are probably fine if you paid 10 euros for your one way ticket, but not everyone on board pays that ammount. RYR sems to forget that.
The question was not wether RYR is s successful company ( it is at the moment ), what type of aircraft it uses and how old they are, but rather on how they inform their pax and how they treat them.
As an Airline RYR is OK, the fares are unbeatable ( if you book early ) Their safety record is good, they pay their crew nicely and deliver a good product for most of the fares you pay.
What is not so good,is the way they treat their pax and hide the facts in the small print. I understand it is a marketing stategy but we are allowed not to agree without being called RYR bashers...
I would challenge that RYR would gain in calling its airport their real names with near to... in brackets beside it , and use friendlier staff at check in with their policies clearly explained and fixed once and for all.
I have no problem with 40min check in cut off, 1 piece of hand, 10 euros above 15 Kg, no connections guarantee, service charges , credit card charges per pax, non-refundable airport taxes, no-return guarantee. etc.. etc.. if they were more obvious about it.
An aside , the above restrictions are probably fine if you paid 10 euros for your one way ticket, but not everyone on board pays that ammount. RYR sems to forget that.
I guess MOL got the last laugh on me last week. I went to Brest from CDG on Air France (started at LHR with BA). The firemen were on strike 0700 - 1900 each day, so I got bussed from Quimper. The FR flight gets in after the strike has ended - it might have been easier to go to STN in the long run!
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I always enjoy reading these kinds of threads. 
However, those that think that FR is going to lose in the long term - I strongly disagree. He has found the right niche and it will always exist. As his student passengers gain more funds, then the will use carriers that require more funds. And another generation of students will be ready and waiting on the tarmac.
I used his service once and do not expect to do so again. Good luck to him.
However, those that think that FR is going to lose in the long term - I strongly disagree. He has found the right niche and it will always exist. As his student passengers gain more funds, then the will use carriers that require more funds. And another generation of students will be ready and waiting on the tarmac.I used his service once and do not expect to do so again. Good luck to him.
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So Altenberg is 50km from the city. Compare that to London with LHR 25km, LGW 56km, LTN 54km & STN 64 km. I don't hear people complaining that they've been conned into flying into London/Gatwick (which is 2 counties away from London).
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Dear Carruthers
Load factor up - but what was the yield?
There's an old saying in business that "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity."
So put up or shut up
Big Tudor
Distance isn't the real factor here, it's the aggro involved.
All the four UK airports you mention have rail connections into London and the journey will take about 1 hour.
The Oz traveller made the mistake of flying into STN, to get to West London - which is not particularly easy due to changes between rail and tubes, whereas LHR would have made a lot more sense.
But Alternberg is not linked by rail to Leipzig and that's the issue.
Load factor up - but what was the yield?
There's an old saying in business that "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity."
So put up or shut up
Big Tudor
Distance isn't the real factor here, it's the aggro involved.
All the four UK airports you mention have rail connections into London and the journey will take about 1 hour.
The Oz traveller made the mistake of flying into STN, to get to West London - which is not particularly easy due to changes between rail and tubes, whereas LHR would have made a lot more sense.
But Alternberg is not linked by rail to Leipzig and that's the issue.
And, dare I say it, the transport links from Hahn to real Frankfurt are pretty ropey as well........ What's wrong with 'Mosel International', incidentally, instead of Frankfurt (Hahn) which is a contradiction in terms.
I've only travelled RyanAir once, and found:
Ts and Cs were abundantly clear and quite fair.
The gates at STN are rather a long way from check-in.
Non-allocated seats aren't really a problem if you're travelling on your own.
Seats were as comfortable as any other economy class seats.
I couldn't understand a word of the captain's PAs - I've no idea what language it was supposed to be in.
Taxiing speeds were no faster than Lufthansa - and much more sedate than Eurowings!
In-flight sales spiel was very intrusive.
I can actually manage not to need feeding or watering on a 90 minute flight if I have lunch at the airport.
You get what it says on the tin and no more. Hardly a reason to complain. But the naming of some airports is somewhat economical with the truth. I was lucky - my destination was only 7km from the airport and someone was waiting to pick me up!
I've only travelled RyanAir once, and found:
Ts and Cs were abundantly clear and quite fair.
The gates at STN are rather a long way from check-in.
Non-allocated seats aren't really a problem if you're travelling on your own.
Seats were as comfortable as any other economy class seats.
I couldn't understand a word of the captain's PAs - I've no idea what language it was supposed to be in.
Taxiing speeds were no faster than Lufthansa - and much more sedate than Eurowings!
In-flight sales spiel was very intrusive.
I can actually manage not to need feeding or watering on a 90 minute flight if I have lunch at the airport.
You get what it says on the tin and no more. Hardly a reason to complain. But the naming of some airports is somewhat economical with the truth. I was lucky - my destination was only 7km from the airport and someone was waiting to pick me up!
However, those that think that FR is going to lose in the long term - I strongly disagree. He has found the right niche and it will always exist
I do think their model has a sustainable place as a medium sized airline. I DON'T think they can be the biggest low cost in Europe (as this order would make them) flying to feilds in the middle of nowhere.
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Carruthers
"Put up or shut up" means please back up your assertion with some more facts. You might also notice that I put a smiley after the sentence to suggest that I was being a little tongue in cheek.
51% "up" sounds impressive as a headline number, but is it backed up by appropriate profit numbers?
"Ryan Air margins are looking very healthy" is a vague assertion, not a fact, so can you enlighten us with hard, referenced, facts?
I shall treat your last comment as being undeserving of further comment.
"Put up or shut up" means please back up your assertion with some more facts. You might also notice that I put a smiley after the sentence to suggest that I was being a little tongue in cheek.
51% "up" sounds impressive as a headline number, but is it backed up by appropriate profit numbers?
"Ryan Air margins are looking very healthy" is a vague assertion, not a fact, so can you enlighten us with hard, referenced, facts?
I shall treat your last comment as being undeserving of further comment.
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Just back from a delightful long weekend in Milan, courtesy of Ryanair Prestwick to Bergamo.
Under fifty quid return plus an additional eight quid return for the 50 minute bus ride into central Milan.
Both flights were on time, baggage unloaded and on the carousel within 10 minutes of engine shutdown, and the bus picked up about 30 seconds walk from the arrival hall. Perfect.
Under fifty quid return plus an additional eight quid return for the 50 minute bus ride into central Milan.
Both flights were on time, baggage unloaded and on the carousel within 10 minutes of engine shutdown, and the bus picked up about 30 seconds walk from the arrival hall. Perfect.
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Well I've just returned from a trip using FR for connecting flights. Surprise surprise it went without a hitch, well without a hitch despite delays caused by the weather, fog unfortunately on the way out at two airports & wet weather today for some reason caused a minor delay, but the weather is out of FR's hands. Thankfully FR's advice to leave three hours between connecting flights came in handy.
However why my waist bag was singled out for special treatment by security today at Stansted, was even tested for trace elements of explosives was beyond me.
However while in Stansted I saw a little eh I meant big GSS plane parked there, can't remember for the life of me who that reminds me of
I was sorely tempted to pop over & cover it with graffitti but sanity prevailed & I refrained!
Coco
However why my waist bag was singled out for special treatment by security today at Stansted, was even tested for trace elements of explosives was beyond me.
However while in Stansted I saw a little eh I meant big GSS plane parked there, can't remember for the life of me who that reminds me of
I was sorely tempted to pop over & cover it with graffitti but sanity prevailed & I refrained! Coco