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Desert Flower 22nd February 2017 13:16


Originally Posted by wombraider (Post 9684123)
Given the fact the pilot reported an engine failure, and with only 5 POB, lets hope it's not another case of misidentifing the failed engine. RIP to all involved.

That thought did occur to me too, as well as to a friend of mine who flies B200's.

DF.

Ixixly 22nd February 2017 14:24

DF and others, from what I've seen the aircraft came down pretty damned hard, ie the area of wreckage was fairly minimal, possibly indicating a rather steep nose down attitude. If the engine was misidentified would it be fair to say this would likely lead to a very sudden loss of speed (possible stall) and therefore a very steep nose down attitude?

27/09 22nd February 2017 17:19


Given the fact the pilot reported an engine failure, and with only 5 POB, lets hope it's not another case of misidentifing the failed engine. RIP to all involved.
I'm surprised he had time to make a mayday call.

mickjoebill 22nd February 2017 19:15


Originally Posted by bekolblockage (Post 9683971)
Concur with Birdman on the final flight path.
Taking a look at the location of the gouge in the DFO roof and some visual cues - the diagonal roofing join and the dislodged airconditioning unit, I would opine the final flight path is something as depicted here. (hope this attachment works).
The angle to Bulla Rd appears to be no more than about 30 degrees or about 50 degrees from rwy heading.

The dashcam vehicle is in the right hand turn lane. Had it continued and turned right the smoke and flames would be clearly visible.

Yes the driver may have aborted the turn after seeing the smoke.
Either way it would help prove the veracity of the video.

Mickjoebill

John Eacott 22nd February 2017 20:55

An excellent interview from the AOPA here

The name is Porter 22nd February 2017 20:58

Extremely well done Ben Morgan :ok: For those of you on social media, get on and share it.

cogwheel 22nd February 2017 21:21

Well done Ben.

ACMS 22nd February 2017 21:51

I just watched Ben on Studio Ten......really good.

They are reporting now that the black box has been recovered and is being sent to Canberra for analysis.........

Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?

Toruk Macto 22nd February 2017 21:53

The interview is blocked for overseas listeners .

spinex 22nd February 2017 22:05

Here's a curly one to add to the pot, was received from an apparently reliable overseas source as being a direct quote of a conversation with someone from the airport;

"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "

I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.

Wilderone 22nd February 2017 22:09


Originally Posted by ACMS (Post 9684764)
I just watched Ben on Studio Ten......really good.

They are reporting now that the black box has been recovered and is being sent to Canberra for analysis.........

Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?

It's probably the CVR..

bilbert 22nd February 2017 22:11

The dash cam video Ch 9 and the ABC keep showing is clearly of a kingair on normal approach to runway 35. The accident aircraft didn't cross the freeway and DFO is north of the freeway. Hope they didn't pay for it!

Flying Binghi 22nd February 2017 22:12

Crikey!..:cool: I 'lapsed' from AOPA 20 odd years ago, though after seeing the competent performance of Ben Morgan to the barrage of questions i reckon i will re-join..:)

Weren't long ago that a lighty flying around AF had plenty of grass to land on. Not any more... Call for urgent safety review of Brisbane's Archerfield Airport after Essendon tragedy - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)






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Datum 22nd February 2017 22:13

Well Done Ben Morgan! :D

How is the government 'safeguarding' our airport infrastructure by allowing significant non-aviation infrastructure development within airport boundaries immediately adjacent to critical runway areas (touchdown and lift-off zones)?.. This problem is an issue at many airports including Essendon, Bankstown and Canberra to name a few..

Blueyonda 22nd February 2017 22:24


Originally Posted by spinex (Post 9684773)
Here's a curly one to add to the pot, was received from an apparently reliable overseas source as being a direct quote of a conversation with someone from the airport;

"He called mayday prior to rotation and then again early upwind. We suspect he lost an engine for the first mayday and then lost the second engine. It has more than enough power to continue on climb on a single engine so it must've been a double failure or something else catastrophic. Fuel would be the first suspect for losing two engines. The video I saw before he crashed he was traveling very slow, almost gliding. "

I have no way of verifying the conversation and it doesn't make much sense to me that the pilot would have called mayday on the runway and continued with the take-off, but there you have it.

I think the large smoke plume and post impact fire would suggest there was plenty of fuel on board. Good representation Ben Morgan.

rioncentu 22nd February 2017 22:28


Crikey!.. I 'lapsed' from AOPA 20 odd years ago, though after seeing the competent performance of Ben Morgan to the barrage of questions i reckon i will re-join..
What he said. Share the hell out of that Facebook post folks !!

megan 22nd February 2017 22:30


Since when have King Airs had a black box flight recorder?
Not au fait with the system, but friend who flies the same model aircraft has a reporting system that will tell the CP (and P & W I think) of any engine over temp, over toque, or other engine malady before the pilot has even landed.

Dawn Patrol 22nd February 2017 22:35


Originally Posted by Blueyonda (Post 9684794)
I think the large smoke plume and post impact fire would suggest there was plenty of fuel on board. Good representation Ben Morgan.

I thought he was suggesting fuel contamination , not a lack of fuel.

spinex 22nd February 2017 22:45


I think the large smoke plume and post impact fire would suggest there was plenty of fuel on board.
"Fuel" can refer to more than just a surfeit of air in the tanks; incorrect tank selection, contamination and others come to mind.

john_tullamarine 22nd February 2017 22:47

has a reporting system that will tell

You probably are thinking of Turbine Tracker.

A very capable and useful little system but directed more at engine maintenance management than a DFDR's accident/incident investigation evidence capability.

While TT has some characteristics of FDRs, it certainly is not in the league of what Joe Bagadonuts, man in the street, thinks might be a modern DFDR.


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