Afternoon, where is this info/ruling ? from ATOG regarding ICUS ?.

Thanks in advance.

Gidday LHRT.

The ATOG proposal first saw the light of day back in April 2007! If CASA has any sense at all, they'll bury it so deep that it never sees the light of day again. At the time it was the subject of a confidential submission. It may or may not have been modified since then, but I have heard nothing to the contrary. The fact that (to the best of my knowledge) it still hasn't been implimented after nearly 18 months, probably indicates it is a troublesome document at best!

Hopefully R.I.P.

Speaking as nothing but SLF, I hope you guys and the company can sort things ASAP. Mrs Max Noise has now given up on ZL for the last flight of the day (ABX-SYD) after being stuck there last Friday when the SYD-ABX-SYD was cancelled. She (and I) want to support ZL "to keep the other b@stards honest", but can't risk it now and will take the red rat when there are deadlines.

Question; With regard to performing all the tasks of PIC in the RH seat, if the SAAB dos not have a tiller on the RH seat, is it possible to conduct a take off from a standing start or must it be done from the LH seat?

Left Hand Seat

Gidday MAX'

Thanks for the patronage, I'm sure all at REX appreciate it. As for brand loyalty, my advice would be if you can find a better deal on the Rat' then that's fair enough. Problem is QFLink are also chronically short of Captains, but I think they tend to preserve the integrity of the non monopalised runs a little better than REX. JD in his latest letter to staff has stated that by years end REX will have a surplus of pilots! If that's true then we will see the reinstatement of the QLD operation, the restart of GTH-ML, and the shelving of plans to cancell the MIA-SYD service. Not only that, the current situation of up to 40 sectors uncrewed at the beginning of each weekend will be a thing of the past, and we will see no more cancellations when a pilot or pilots have the gall to call in sick, as there will be adequate reserves to cover them!

Or you could believe the truth.

mr flappy.

The ATOG proposal exempts taxiing as part of the plan to have ICUS logged from the RHS. Apparently the skills and short term decision making associated with that phase of flight is not considered of any command value! It is possible to conduct Take offs and Landings from Go to "Whoe" without nosewheel steering (and yes the SAAB does only have the tiller on the Captains side). It is an abnormal operation for which Captains receive specific training. As any sort of additional training (and expense) is to be avoided under the ATOG proposal, F/O's conducting ICUS under this scam are not permitted to taxy the Aircraft or in fact steer it on the ground at speeds below 80 knots!

Poor Krusty, you'll have to fly with these cadets! Good luck mate! Be sure to have your instructor cap on. :}

No real skin off my nose Altimeters. As long as the Cadets are up to the task, I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Problem is, the chronic and worsening shortage at REX is for Captains, and for pilots that can be upgraded. If you understand why REX are employing low timers and Cadets, then there can only be one outcome for the company over at least the next 5 years? Contraction!

A paradox of this whole shortage may be that we will see redundancies in the bottom third of the seniority list. And that will include Cadets! Think it won't happen?

Just think about it!

I heard that there was only two FO's who applied for the recent four SYD command upgrade positions! Times could be starting to get interesting...


go_soaring! instead

I don't believe that for a second go_soaring.

They are going to have an "excess" of pilots by the end of the year!

Why would you want to go through the process of being upgraded only to get to the final check and get soc'ed twice for something minor and having to then go back as an FO for 6mths. What a joke!

Maybe a quick command and more money at Ma:mad:ir is the way to go! I hear they are taking, sorry, poaching FO's at the moment.

Radar.

XXXXGOLD,

Re-read my post, I said '...only two FO's (that I'm aware of) applied for...'

Doesn't mean that there isn't more in the pool that are available for the upgrade, in fact I convinced another mate with a few hundred hours on the SF34 to put a bid in last night! Just never know your luck :)


go_soaring! instead

Go_Soaring, my comments were tongue in cheek :ok:... you missed the point completely.

Anyway, your mate with only a couple of hundred hours on type who might get a command at Rex will be one of the oldies. Soon command candidates will have only a couple of hundred hours TOTAL TIME :D

So even non RPT flights, conducted under an AOC authorising RPT, must be operated by flight crew meeting the RPT >5700kg experience requirements?

Not that I believe this is a viable solution, simply curious, as it strikes me as slightly odd.

So, if I get fed up with jet lag and want to live in Auz and not fly anything big that goes too far. Who should I see? Rex, Brindabella, QF Link? Typed on the SF-340 with other stuff and just near 11,000 tt.

Absolutely K.C.

As long as you can live on the subsistance wages, only get one weekend off a month, only get 8 days off per roster (when other airlines have moved to at least 12!), then by all means.

REX needs all the experienced pilots it can get.

I do know for fact that one company operating metro RPT does allow it's pilots who are not yet up to the 2000hr for LHS RPT position to captain the charter runs.

But they would be in the metro II which are under 5700kg wouldn't they?

Startingout - this is yet another standardisation issue by CASA. Some offices hold that an AOC authorising LCRPT are bound by 82.3 even if they are conducting CHTR ops.

CAO 82.3 8.5

"8.5 In the case of a pilot operating an aeroplane having a maximum take-off weight of
5 700 kg or less employed in a regular public transport operation, the requirement that
the pilot must have the relevant qualifications set out in Appendix 4 applies only if the
operation involves the carriage of passengers."

I don't see how they develop a grey area out of that?