Co-Pilot Instrument Rating
 

Any one know who does Co-Pilot Instrument Ratings? And what the requirments are?? And how they differ from a MECIR?

Thanx

Have a look at http://ioa.casa.gov.au/scripts/ATO.asp then click on your area, then select Instrument Ratings. You should find some one there. The requirements are in CA) 40.2.1 intermingled in the CIR stuff.

Why would you want one? They are normally issued by company check pilots or simulator check pilots to crew who previously had command ratings now employed as an FO.

ITCZ

read cao 40.2.1 and you may see the advantage of gaining one b4 a MECIR if u can find an employer who will put u in the RHS

Thank you VIS9999, for directing me to a document that has been familiar to me for 13+ years.

What is your point though? Is it cheaper than doing a full instrument rating?

One of the most irritating things about this forum is the shortsightedness of so many up and coming pilots.

If you are going to learn to do a thing, your first concern should be getting good skills. Cost is secondary, but good things don't come cheap. We have all been there, wanting to start flying training that will cost us $70k or more and the bank balance is close to zero.

"Quality remains long after the price is forgotten."

Also, exactly how many employers in the business in Oz are there that induct straight to the RHS? If you think that there are enough for you to get a start, then good luck kid, I wish you all the best. But if you don't have a foot in the door at such an operation, you might end up looking second-best.

A multi CIR is the professional qual. Single engine CIR are for PPLs, and Copilot IR is what you get when you are an FO whether you like it or not!!

Don't take my word for it. Start ringing up a few Chief Pilots at places you want to work for and see what they think. While you are at it, ask them who they think runs a decent CIR course.

Just so you don't get me wrong, VIS, i don't think you are a dill. I just think that restricting yourself to a CP IR would be a career limiting step.

for your information, i am currently already at an employer who has offered me the rhs!

Fair enough then.

Might pay ask the question of the people who put you through the CP ME IFR -- "When i get enough hours for command in this or another job, will I need to do a part CIR course, or a whole CIR course again?"

Good luck with the new job.

ITCZ

The time i would get in the right hand seat would be on top of what i am getting now.

for a pilot with 250hours to get some time in MEIFR, even if is the rhs, tell me u wouldn't do it!

If you think getting a job flying MEIFR rhs is a good move, I agree one hundred percent.

A few guys at Airnorth got an excellent start as 'caravan coeys' and my captain on todays trip got his start as a rhs in a Twotter.

It makes a lot of sense for a new-ish CPL to get their first experience in company with an older/wiser/more experienced head in the same cockpit. Great idea.

What I am saying goes something like this:

When i came up for a Metro FO job (it seems so long ago) I was presented with the 'choice' of paying for an FO endorsement $3,500 or a command endorsement $5,000. As it turned out we got bonds with no out of pocket expense. But for a few days there I was looking at a significant cost for a poor C210 pilot that had $1000 in the bank.

But -- down the track an FO to CMD upgrade would cost someone about $2,500. So an INITIALLY cheaper FO course would EVENTUALLY cost more than if I chose the CMD from the outset, AND I had a much more useful and thorough qualification two years earlier than if I had chosen the FO course only.

That's what I am on about.

However, your choice, VIS. Enjoy the new task.