Clare: There shouldn't be much to make up here. Capn Bloggs nailed the nonsense.

For all the thousands of pages of regulations and AIP material and guidance material, this is where we are in 2023:

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The ERSA and the DAP diagrams for the Sunshine Coast Airport did not include holding point locations. While the ERSA was not required to show the locations of holding points, inclusion of this information reduces the potential for confusion or ambiguity around their position. Also, the marking used on the runway diagram to depict the take-off distance available was not accurate. Additionally, the CASA aerodrome manoeuvring map for Sunshine Coast Airport did not give an accurate representation of the holding points or the runway and, if compared to the ERSA, would increase confusion for pilots.

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And the pilot was confused by a poorly worded and unnecessary ATC instruction.

2023.

I'd have thought that flying interstate would be much more valuable in gaining proficiency in command skills than bashing circuits for hours on end?

Toowoomba is not that far!

What’s Toowoomba got to do with it?

Yes there is. I've got one in front of me. Issued 4/2/87. :D

Indeed but this stude started training 8 years after they were abolished!

Because the "Mandatory" is not pertaining to their installation. It refers to the information they portray. They "may" (there's no "should" that I can see) be used as an adjunct to MAGS that display Mandatory Instructions (as opposed to ones that are Information Only ones). The MAGS have rules as to where and why they are installed. (Section 8.79 (3) & (4))

Even I worked out that this student is on an integrated course.

Nup, you want to get the course finished ASAP, so you can move straight on to MEIR and ATPL's. If you want to muck around and enjoy the scenery, do a non-integrated course.

Most schools? How many? The one school you have trained through? You need to get out more, talk to a few more schools OR publish your research.

You can talk to them:

Until you're blue in the face
Until the cows come home
Until hell freezes over
Until the Eels win another premiership (the sun will burn out before that happens, about 5 billion years)
Until the sun burns out

But no runway builder in Australia will build a full length taxyway. An accident with similar deaths to Teneriffe would not convince them or CASA or ATSB.

An example of n=1

FTA - Qantas - Based at Wellcamp. That's where the DA40 was from.
Standard Navex

For the slow learners, the first sentence of the ATSB Exec Summary explains that the flight was "from Sunshine Coast Airport, Queensland to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport, Queensland."

"Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport" is located at a place called "Toowoomba".

An air operator called "Qantas" has appointed an organisation called "Flight Training Adelaide" (FTA) as the training provider for Qantas's Toowoomba site.

Don't obsess on the "A" in "FTA". FTA isn't sending students on NAVEXs from Parafield to Sunshine Coast and back each day.

Was inside of 4nm on the RNAV 13 when ATC had a QF 737 at the holding point enter to line up runway 13. Passing 1000 feet asked the FO to enquire ATC about their intentions, and they said to continue number 1. I asked if the 737 still slowly taxing to the threshold might be a factor, and ATC asked very nicely for us to go round.
A few weeks later, same runway, same position for us, ATC cleared a single engine trainer to join base in front of us. TCAS showed him pretty close, so I called our distance, to which ATC sent the trainer back to downwind heading.
The tarmac area is a disgrace of a design. Any one aircraft pushing onto taxyway B closes the whole area. During CTAF QF and those 717s push without a CTAF call, blocking everyone else for considerable time.

Horrible design and at times lazy ATC.

ASD-B IN will cure all that, and baldness. ;)

It's a weird arse airport, that's for sure. It really wants to be a big airport but doesn't quite seem to get there. There's no reason it couldn't be a Gold Coast but there'll be problems if the movements increase, on all fronts. The terminal is crappy, the apron is **** and the airspace design is crap as well.

The ATC there is usually pretty good, apart from don's issues of course.

Agree on all counts. It seems to me the top-brass stationed there are completely unable to both (a) obtain good advice and (b) make good decisions, probably preferring to spend their time at the beach instead. It could be soo much better.. but. Coolangatta it ain't.

It's a typical Australian airport. They'll come, then we'll build it. At the lowest possible cost and tart the little piggy up to look like a real airport. And while we build it we'll stuff around as many people as humanly possible.

How difficult can we make this game for ourselves?
Royal commission thanks…..

Why waste money on a Royal Commission. Any recommendations would be noted, filed and ignored. Airfields are designed by road “expert” engineers without knowledge of aircraft usage.
At YMBA after completion and the final party millions had to be spent uprooting culverts and reshaping the slopes off the taxiway. And they couldn’t even make that straight or minimise the turn angles. At the western end the holding point is in the wrong place and allows only a look for traffic one way.
It used to be so flat you could use anywhere.. not any more. A Suez canal with launching bund to the south and drains and ditches everywhere else.