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bentleg 17th Mar 2023 09:10

Cirrus down at Bankstown
 
A Cirrus VH-XGR is down at Bankstown 3.40 pm today. Flipped. Pilot, sole occupant, extricated from wreckage, resuscitated and transported to hospital. No idea of his health or the cause at this stage. Flight was from Southport
https://www.9news.com.au/national/light-plane-crash-bankstown-airport-pilot-trapped/530ed032-b2ca-4cfc-b85f-a352b0f2acbf
https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/incident.php?record=recM9XTFnRU3bDJn9

Capt Fathom 17th Mar 2023 11:41

How the hell do you end up upside down during a landing?

gerry111 17th Mar 2023 12:09


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 11403836)
How the hell do you end up upside down during a landing?

Not a good way to arrive but perhaps the Cirrus pilot landed nose wheel first?

sablatnic 17th Mar 2023 12:55


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 11403836)
How the hell do you end up upside down during a landing?

Could have something to do with the missing port wheel.

roger4 17th Mar 2023 17:12

And the missing port wing!

I saw an SR22 accident in the UK where the aircraft stalled immediately after take-off and then cart-wheeled stbd wingtip to nose to port wingtip to tail before landing the right way up. A cart-wheel could just as easily end up side down.

NZFlyingKiwi 17th Mar 2023 18:18

I could imagine a wingdrop stall in the flare or during a poorly executed go around could end up upside down. There's also a video on Youtube of a Cirrus suffering a loss of control on landing after encountering wake turbulence from a preceding helicopter.

bentleg 17th Mar 2023 21:56

Pure speculation at this stage. A flip as seen in pix could be caused by a fast wheelbarrow landing that wandered off onto the grass.. Witness reports may be interesting.

Jabberwocky82 17th Mar 2023 23:13


Originally Posted by NZFlyingKiwi (Post 11404036)
I could imagine a wingdrop stall in the flare or during a poorly executed go around could end up upside down. There's also a video on Youtube of a Cirrus suffering a loss of control on landing after encountering wake turbulence from a preceding helicopter.

That is very similar to what happened. I hope the pilot recovers after the initial reports.

43Inches 18th Mar 2023 00:56

The Grob 115 G2s at CSWAFC used to have a similar bite and there were a few 'go-round' accidents that ended up in a mess cartwheeling. It usually was the result of sudden application of power with little to no rudder input, the short rudder arm and relatively high power combined with low speed meant it yawed and rolled savagely and in the process a wing strike was highly likely with then a spectacular return to earth. Luckily those things were built like formula one crash cells so only minor injuries at worst.

megan 18th Mar 2023 01:14

From the OP's link, gusting wind mentioned and that wind was "blowing".

A pilot who witnessed the crash said it all happened very quickly.

"I saw three planes all coming in to land then one tipped violently to the left and before i knew it was on the ground," Adam, a fellow pilot, said.

Lucerne 18th Mar 2023 02:06


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 11403836)
How the hell do you end up upside down during a landing?

You need to keep in mind that he was a Cirrus pilot.

BEACH KING 18th Mar 2023 05:02


Originally Posted by Lucerne (Post 11404197)
You need to keep in mind that he was a Cirrus pilot.

Are you Cirrious?

Lucerne 18th Mar 2023 05:05


Originally Posted by BEACH KING (Post 11404218)
Are you Cirrious?

Yes. Very.

nreese 4th Apr 2023 03:52

From an eye witness I chatted with on another forum, the aircraft had a tail strike on landing, pitched up steeply and climbed to about fifty feet, then stalled. Ten points to Grifindor for working out what happened there. My wild take on it, unstable approach, messed up go around. Even though the stats don't necessarily show it, I still have a sneaking suspicion that some people fly a Cirrus in the hope that its 'safety features' will make up for lack of confidence in their abilities. Classic example is the pilot that recently had and engine failure at 10,000 feet, got to 2000 feet and pulled the 'chute handle ("as per the PoH" - WTF? - which didn't work), and still pulled off an OK forced landing (well done, dude). Why on earth would you go for the CAPS option rather than a controlled forced landing? (ooops, sorry, PoH said ...).

Lucerne 4th Apr 2023 04:17


Originally Posted by nreese (Post 11414340)
Why on earth would you go for the CAPS option rather than a controlled forced landing? (ooops, sorry, PoH said ...).

That is exactly the decision making routine that one expects from a cirrus cockpit. Only because it appears to be so commonly the case.

The Banjo 4th Apr 2023 04:37

Are they reusable after using the chute?

nreese 4th Apr 2023 05:14

Ask the LAME ...

Runaway Gun 4th Apr 2023 08:42

No, but the pilot and pax are.

Capt Fathom 4th Apr 2023 12:15

Popping a parachute comes with no guarantees either…. providing it pops!
As soon as you start that sequence, there is no going back to being an aeroplane again.

bentleg 7th Apr 2023 22:19

On the news last night they said the pilot has passed from his injuries - RIP.


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