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Duck Pilot 1st Apr 2023 08:45


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11412703)
A mix of could not get a job elsewhere or chasing quick hours.
Mostly.

They knew they got a better $ for a high risk.

When you know your at risk you make different decisions. There you get a ramp check (lol) no real drama - here forget your ASIC or 20 kg of extra fuel (for a diversion) and get caught your in BIG SHyT.

One country you could make things work, the other they would rather you die keeping legal.

Special VFR or even many VFR flight plans are just to be "legal".

Hit the nail on the head.

Rules won’t save anyone from death or anything less serious. Things that will is raw hardcore single pilot experience in the worst environment in the world to fly, let alone live for any long period of time.

PNG provided that for me and I can attest that I’ve got more than 9 lives! If anyone has had a windscreen full of rain forest whilst on approach very close to the ground in marginal weather conditions and survived, they will know what I mean.

Capt Fathom 1st Apr 2023 11:48


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11412703)
A mix of could not get a job elsewhere or chasing quick hours.
Mostly.
They knew they got a better $ for a high risk.

Sorry. I don’t quite follow. Are you saying that’s the reason people went to PNG? For quick hours and money?

Mach E Avelli 1st Apr 2023 20:55


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 11412844)
Sorry. I don’t quite follow. Are you saying that’s the reason people went to PNG? For quick hours and money?

A few went to do god bothering work with the missions. But I think most saw PNG as a good stepping stone to airlines, while saving money. Fortunately, back in the day when airline pilots selected new recruits, there was some respect for the experience gained by PNG flying.
Induction to PNG flying was generally quite rigorous, with route endorsements and in-country experience required before being turned loose on the really challenging airstrips. Considering the hostile environment and hours flown in its heyday, PNG had quite a remarkable safety record.
On an hours flown basis it would be interesting to compare it with today’s GA in Australia.
Nowadays, airline HR selection people with no hands-on flying time value wombats and similarly concocted aptitude tests. Times change.

Pinky the pilot 2nd Apr 2023 03:16


If anyone has had a windscreen full of rain forest whilst on approach very close to the ground in marginal weather conditions and survived, they will know what I mean.
Yup!


Induction to PNG flying was generally quite rigorous, with route endorsements and in-country experience required before being turned loose on the really challenging airstrips. Considering the hostile environment and hours flown in its heyday, PNG had quite a remarkable safety record.
+1.

Stationair8 2nd Apr 2023 04:00

Would the modern airline HR numpty, know anything about PNG?

Squawk7700 2nd Apr 2023 04:46


Originally Posted by Stationair8 (Post 11413223)
Would the modern airline HR numpty, know anything about PNG?

Just what they hear on the news when drugs keep getting flown from there to Australia probably.

Pinky the pilot 2nd Apr 2023 11:37


Would the modern airline HR numpty, know anything about PNG?
Other that that which Squawk7700 mentioned;

Two Fifths of Three Eighths of SFA would be my guess!:hmm:

And if the Chuckling Chimbu was still gracing these pages, I suspect he would tell me that I was being somewhat generous in my estimation.

Subversive1 2nd Apr 2023 14:04


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11411439)
How does one living in aviation in the Top End these days do a Risk Assessment (knowing the dangers of the Wet Season)?

Some company's require previous Wet Season experience as a mitigation point - so it is a real hazard not a perceived hazard.
  • Northern Territory - The offence of industrial manslaughter came into effect in the NT on 1 February 2020. A PCBU or an officer of a PCBU commits industrial manslaughter if they intentionally engage in conduct which breaches a health and safety duty and causes the death of an individual to whom the health and safety duty was owed. The PCBU or officer must also be reckless or negligent about the conduct breaching the health and safety duty and causing the death of that individual. The maximum penalty is imprisonment for life for an individual and fines of $10.2 million for companies.

Excellent question. I can't speak for this operator but many operators are yet to catch up. The involved pilot's flying school had multiple very close calls with weather yet did little about it. Risk management was minimal and many of the instructors were happy to push the limits themselves. This culture in the formative period of his training did him no favours.

The Wawa Zone 2nd Apr 2023 14:16

The section of the report re the prop states: "The damage signatures indicated that the engine was likely to have been driving the propeller with significant power when the aircraft collided with terrain."
I disagree, that prop does not have forward bending of the tips and instead looks like it hit at idle power.

morno 2nd Apr 2023 14:35

Which column of my logbook do I log this so called “wet season time” in?

Global Aviator 2nd Apr 2023 22:44


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11413455)
Which column of my logbook do I log this so called “wet season time” in?

That would be the date column - September to March would be a fair indication, in addition the route flown would be a pretty good indication of where the flying took place.

The Wawa Zone 3rd Apr 2023 02:10


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 11413676)
That would be the date column - September to March would be a fair indication, in addition the route flown would be a pretty good indication of where the flying took place.

Something like 24 Dec with GV-MTM-RURU-LEV-ELD-RNG-ELD-DHAL-RURU-GV-ELD-RNG-MGD-GBI-GV ?
Yeah that would do it !

megan 3rd Apr 2023 03:16

Just out of interest what indoctrination would a typical new person to PNG get, hours/sectors/days or what ever?

The Wawa Zone 6th Nov 2023 17:21

News ?
 
Has bloke been heard from/about recently ? Has he got a wife and a haus by now ?


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