That was pointed out in the original post. If you can't see the point after reading it, then I'm not sure I can explain it more clearly for you. Gold Coast Airport Authority has taken the petty "safety" bureaucracy to the next level. If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness. |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11264602)
If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness.
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Or, more accurately, if you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass and ATSB give both a free pass...
Mutual protection racket. |
We also have to ask what penalties does ASA suffer for not supplying what is a safety sensitive service. Shouldn't there be stiff fines to ensure it has 100% coverage, enough to ensure they employ and pay controllers enough even for unexpected sickness. As for a tower service reverting to CTAF not affecting safety, why is there an expensive tower in the first place? This was happening BEFORE covid, regular patches in controller coverage even at Sydney and Melbourne. To blame covid alone is completely bogus. It's an employment pay and conditions argument, pure and simple, ASA does not employ and retain enough controllers so they have holes in the system.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11265020)
We also have to ask what penalties does ASA suffer for not supplying what is a safety sensitive service. Shouldn't there be stiff fines to ensure it has 100% coverage, enough to ensure they employ and pay controllers enough even for unexpected sickness. As for a tower service reverting to CTAF not affecting safety, why is there an expensive tower in the first place? This was happening BEFORE covid, regular patches in controller coverage even at Sydney and Melbourne. To blame covid alone is completely bogus. It's an employment pay and conditions argument, pure and simple, ASA does not employ and retain enough controllers so they have holes in the system.
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Retired a while now from Cairns ATC. We had a contingency plan for when either Tower &/or Approach service was not available. I know of 2 occasions when Tower was not available and the plan was put into action. NOTAM issued requiring pilots to phone for a briefing on procedures to follow - e.g. set course time, when to call Approach for clearance etc. Pilots followed procedures well and all worked quite well, apart from longer delays than normal. We also did a post event washup (incl with industry) to ascertain what could be improved. I am sure Gold Coast ATC would have something similar in place.
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We had a contingency plan for when either Tower &/or Approach service was not available. |
Or, more accurately, if you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass and ATSB give both a free pass... |
Not quite the same as during peak hours, that looks like curfew hours only.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11267752)
Isn't the contingency plan for airspace without ATC the same everywhere? Isn't it called "G"?
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11268430)
Not quite the same as during peak hours, that looks like curfew hours only.
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Nope, in the case of the capital city CTRs the surrounding airspace is designated a Temporary Restricted Airspace. |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11269217)
So a failure to provide service is wrapped in nice shiny paper, and then we pretend there is still some form of service being provided.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 11264602)
No you firstly commented on Airservices lack of service, and it's safety implications, and then conflated that with the Airport situation of requiring visitors to reception to jump through some hoops. The fact that the airport continues to enforce the rules forced on it by various governmental agencies has what relationship to the status of the airspace? They unfortunately don't have the option of "Oh we're a bit short staffed, so we're just going to leave the gates open for a while".
If you had asked why does CASA give ASA a free pass, yet everyone else in the industry has to abide by the rules irrespective, it would not have come across as just a rant against perceived GC pettiness. |
I didn't rage type anything. That's what rant typists do. I read your post in its entirety. It didn't make sense.
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Originally Posted by DROPS
(Post 11271040)
Apparently QF won't operate in Class G now due insurance. So CG more likely to be TRA from now on to allow BN CEN to permit clearances in and out one at a time when the TWR has insufficient controllers - oops, I meant, when due OPN RQMNT.
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Is 'rage typing' and 'rant typing' actually a thing?
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It is now:}
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Originally Posted by DROPS
(Post 11271040)
Apparently QF won't operate in Class G now due insurance. So CG more likely to be TRA from now on to allow BN CEN to permit clearances in and out one at a time when the TWR has insufficient controllers - oops, I meant, when due OPN RQMNT.
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