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Blumaan 21st Feb 2022 19:09

DAME question
 
Did my medical renewal the other day, and Dr asked me if I had been in any aviation related accidents. Didn't strike me at the time but surely CASA/ATSB would contact your DAME (DAME that did your last exam) as part of the investigation process? If you sustain an injury you are obligated to report it, but if it's sustained during an aircraft accident I would assume the CASA would already contact your DAME anyways regarding the accident.

Lookleft 21st Feb 2022 22:29

The onus is on you to notify the relevant people. The ATSB are not going to contact your DAME to let them know you have been involved in an accident! If they need medical records then they will approach CASA and that is usually only if it is a fatal accident. If the pilot has survived then it would be expected that they would tell the investigators about any relevant medical history. CASA would not be contacting a DAME to let them know you have been involved in an accident. Their interest only extends as far as any rule breaches. If you don't report an injury suffered during an aircraft accident then they have already got you on one.

Lead Balloon 21st Feb 2022 23:42

Must be a full moon. Or maybe it's something to do with the date. Some very strange questions being asked about the CASA medical system.

The question as you've described it is ambiguous or you may have misunderstood it, Blumaan. The DAME meant to ask you - or maybe did ask you - whether you've been involved in any accident that may be relevant to your fitness to fly.

For example, if you fall off a ladder at your home and hit your head on the driveway and suffer concussion, that's not something of which CASA or ATSB are aware. But it is something that may be relevant to your fitness to fly.

Sunfish 22nd Feb 2022 02:07


For example, if you fall off a ladder at your home and hit your head on the driveway and suffer concussion, that's not something of which CASA or ATSB are aware. But it is something that may be relevant to your fitness to fly.]
Telling CASA you were concussed as a result of accident may end your aviation career,

From AAT cases it appears that if you have EVER lost consciousness as a result of a concussion or similar trauma you will NEVER get a medical certificate again ever.

Because of this situation, I gave up snow skiing when I took up flyiing and I get the kids to do ladder work for me.

IMHO there is a huge problem with medical standards in Australia, not just in CASA, judging by what has happened to people I know.

The HR/Medical establishment in many institutions has a very caring/sharing/touchy/feely public face; "We want to help", "We want to put you on the road to recovery", etc., etc. as the exhort you to come forward with possible medical problems.

However, should you do so and perhaps confess to any real or imagined substance abuse including alcohol, mental health issues, trauma and suchlike, the HR Medical establishment will immediately cancel what approvals you have, resist your efforts to recover the same after treatment and then attempt to have you dismissed as cheaply as possible on the grounds of unfitness. This is driven by work cover premium increases and potential liability.

You will need very strong medical specialist and union support to resist these goons and budget for a minimum three year fight to keep your job.

Lookleft 22nd Feb 2022 02:28


From AAT cases it appears that if you have EVER lost consciousness as a result of a concussion or similar trauma you will NEVER get a medical certificate again ever.
Wrong!!!! I know of two airline pilots who are still flying who have been concussed from head trauma. Very similar process to cardiac problems. You lose your medical for a period of time while your condition is monitored, months not years. If there are no continuing issues then you get to go flying again.


morno 22nd Feb 2022 03:10

Ohh look, Sunfish is back. But you aren’t a professional pilot Sunfish, so how would you know? :rolleyes:

Blumaan 22nd Feb 2022 04:42


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 11187825)
The onus is on you to notify the relevant people. The ATSB are not going to contact your DAME to let them know you have been involved in an accident! If they need medical records then they will approach CASA and that is usually only if it is a fatal accident. If the pilot has survived then it would be expected that they would tell the investigators about any relevant medical history. CASA would not be contacting a DAME to let them know you have been involved in an accident. Their interest only extends as far as any rule breaches. If you don't report an injury suffered during an aircraft accident then they have already got you on one.

Right, this makes sense. Also CASA already holds medical records on you based off all your previous flight medical exams so asking your DAME for info would seem a bit redundant unless they felt there was a medical reason for the accident.

chimbu warrior 22nd Feb 2022 06:34

I would ask the DAME to clarify their question. If their query does not directly relate to the questions they are required to ask to renew your medical, then you do not have to answer.

I recently had a DAME ask a lot of irrelevant questions, which appeared to be simply his curiosity. If it is not on the form I won't answer or discuss.

Sunfish 22nd Feb 2022 14:03

+1 to Chimbu.

I have lost count of the number of people who have answered wide ranging questions only to dig themselves deeper into monumental regulatory holes of their own making.

As a relative put it; the more information you offer an official, the more they will demand.

Be concise, obey the law then shut up.

airdualbleedfault 23rd Feb 2022 07:46

Pretty simple really NO to everything and you have 1 glass of wine per week. As has been mentioned above, those Avmed :mad: will ruin your career

Squawk7700 23rd Feb 2022 19:37

#FatherOfTheYear. Gets his kids to climb the ladder at home so he doesn’t fall off, hit his head, get concussed and lose his medical. You’ve actually got more chance of crashing your home built aircraft that fall off your ladder.

Sunfish 23rd Feb 2022 19:49


#FatherOfTheYear. Gets his kids to climb the ladder at home so he doesn’t fall off, hit his head, get concussed and lose his medical. You’ve actually got more chance of crashing your home built aircraft that fall off your ladder.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about.


.......ladders were associated with more deaths and injuries that any other household product, with older people most likely to suffer serious injuries from a ladder fall.

In Victoria alone, there is around 1200 emergency department presentations due to ladder falls and around six Victorians die as a result of falling from a ladder at home each year.

The latest data shows hospital admissions for ladder falls around the home have gone up by 22% over the five years to 2018/19 – from 614 to 752. The number of men hospitalised increased by 16% from 474 to 549 and concerningly the number of women jumped by 45%– from 140 to 203.

Sixty-one percent of all hospital admissions were people aged 60 and over, and men aged from 40 to 79 made up more than half (55%) of the people who presented to hospital emergency departments after falling off a ladder.

https://australianseniorsnews.com.au...-for-over-60s/


The "kids" are 30 somethings and fit as Mallee Bulls.

....but falling off the aircraft refuelling steps? You got me there...



Squawk7700 23rd Feb 2022 20:30


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 11188952)
Again, you don't know what you are talking about.




https://australianseniorsnews.com.au...-for-over-60s/


The "kids" are 30 somethings and fit as Mallee Bulls.

....but falling off the aircraft refuelling steps? You got me there...

You can hardly compare, you’re twisting the stats worse than a politician. If every single person that climbed a ladder every day in Australia stepped into a home built aircraft and took off, your statistics would drastically change.

morno 23rd Feb 2022 22:10


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 11188952)
Again, you don't know what you are talking about.




https://australianseniorsnews.com.au...-for-over-60s/


The "kids" are 30 somethings and fit as Mallee Bulls.

....but falling off the aircraft refuelling steps? You got me there...

I am getting dumber by reading your **** 🤦‍♂️

Sunfish you’re sending your children (even if grown) up the ladder at home, apparently threatening their own livelihoods (according to your reasoning), all so that you can continue to fly around occasionally in your home build? I am lost for words as to your stupidity :hmm:

tossbag 24th Feb 2022 00:03

Now, now, it is entertaining nonetheless.

Blumaan 24th Feb 2022 05:49

Come on guys let's not bicker, hopefully we can stick to the subject


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