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Aircraft incident at Shepparton

Local.news reporting an aircraft incident at Shepparton. Pics look a bit ugly.

Any one know which aircraft?

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/275187

RA registered Arion Lightning

A light plane crashed under unknown circumstances at Shepparton Airport. The pilot survived the crash.

Golly, all prop blades missing by the looks, with hub remaining.

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A light plane crashed under unknown circumstances at Shepparton Airport.

From the evening 9 news the "engine stalled" just after take-off. Must be that tricky shift from 2nd to 3rd gear at 100 feet, always catches the slow foot out, should've engaged the clutch as soon as the engine faltered.

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Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11180442)

Looks like the engine was well and truly delivering power. They can be a handful those beauties, plenty have had incidents.

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Looks like the engine was well and truly delivering power. They can be a handful those beauties, plenty have had incidents.

Maybe when the 'engine stalled' and a wing skidded into a roll the pilot applied too much clutch pedal, or not enough? It was then that the doom plunge into terra firma was inevitable, possibly due to insufficient height to recover from an 'engine stall' and 'skid' at such low altitude.

I was there and witnessed the crash. It was pilot induced stall during take-off....as verified by the pilot himself.

I was told it was caused by the pilot being a little too aggressive on back-stick on takeoff.

IF that's the case, then.....

Betcha he won't do THAT again.....Hope not anyway......

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Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO (Post 11180879)

IF that's the case, then.....

Betcha he won't do THAT again.....Hope not anyway......

Not likely in that aircraft! (he was fairly new to the aircraft BTW)

I gave up flying at 60, whats he thinking?

The ATSB did a report on a Glasair that came to grief in Brisbane many years ago. what they found is that private pilots who have been flying Cessnas and Pipers for most of their life splash out and get themselves a high performance machine and are suddenly in a world of aviation they are not used to. Light control inputs and high stall speeds. Maybe some money spent on additional training to come to terms with the differences would be well spent. A bit like the MU-2. Once private pilots did the FS course on them the accident rate came down.

I think you'll find it was a Lancair, not Glasair, but I'll stand corrected.

Thanks LB for the pedantic contribution but whether its a Lancair or Glasair they are both a lot higher performance than most PPLs are used to and can cope with, after a couple of hundred hours flying America's finest. I would be interested on your thoughts if you have flown something in that category.

You are evidently unaware of the relatively benign and predictable low speed handling of the Glasair design compared with the Lancair. Glasairs are fast and will get you lost in a hurry, but they don't stall, spin, crash and burn at the typical circuit speeds of the 'average GA aircraft'. The Lancair involved in the incident to which you referred didn't spin into the ground because it was going too fast.

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The Lancair involved in the incident to which you referred didn't spin into the ground because it was going too fast.

The fatal accident I was referring to (if you want to be pedantic there is a difference between an incident and an accident) was caused by what then?

The report into the fatal accident involving the Lancair included this information and is not type specific but refers to the general classification of amateur built aircraft:

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In 1997, following a series of investigations of accidents involving amateur-built experimental aircraft, the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) issued
several related safety recommendations12. The NTSB stated that ‘some accidents may be related to inadequate flight training by pilots who … transition into
amateur-built aircraft, which have flight characteristics that are unfamiliar to them’. The safety recommendation letter also included the following comments:
The [NTSB] recognizes that the vast majority of pilots learn to fly in typecertificated aircraft, which have been tested and demonstrated to have
stability, controllability, and performance characteristics that fall within a defined envelope. Further, after their training, most pilots continue to operate
type-certificated airplanes, which comprise most of the general aviation fleet. Consequently, it may be difficult for them to transition to many amateur-built
aircraft, which may have flight characteristics that fall outside the familiar envelope of type-certificated aircraft, without the benefit of transition training.
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The [NTSB] concludes that type-specific flight training is critical for pilots transitioning into amateur-built experimental aircraft. …new owners who
acquire amateur-built experimental aircraft in the secondary marketplace should have the opportunity to receive transition training, unless their prior
flight experience makes it unnecessary.

The relatively recent Lancair crash at Shepparton comes to mind based on the theme mentioned above.

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I gave up flying at 60, whats he thinking?

Umm....I'm 67 and still flying. Admittedly not in Chieftains or C402's anymore, just Glider towing in Pawnees.

So what's your point?:confused:

LL, you obviously wake up some days and decide that there’s no way you’re going to concede anything. My apologies for pointing out that you were inadvertently denigrating an aircraft type with a very good safety record.

Well LB thats because of your unique ability to elevate an irrelevant part of a wider discussion on private pilots flying high performance amateur built aircraft and flying them into the ground. Of course your drive to always have the last word on any subject will naturally result in another post that completely misses the point.