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Pearly White 20th Jan 2022 09:04

US ATPL coming to Oz for busman's holiday
 
An ATPL friend of mine in the United States is contemplating an outback mini-tour for a couple of weeks, hiring some kind of light aircraft. Not fussy what, he's flown everything and is highly adaptable. ATPL qualified with an ICAO card - can he use those to fly a VH-registered aircraft or does he have to jump hoops to get Aus equivalents? Not contemplating major airports, mainly bush strips with fuel. Not that I expect that will make much difference.

43Inches 20th Jan 2022 09:19

Used to be an AFR type flight and off you go. Easiest to just ask the mob he intends to hire off or give CASA a direct shout, pretty sure the website has info on it.

chimbu warrior 20th Jan 2022 20:17


an ICAO card
Not familiar with this - can you please explain?

tail wheel 20th Jan 2022 21:53

The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!! :=

Pearly White 20th Jan 2022 22:05


Originally Posted by tail wheel (Post 11172884)
The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!! :=

Thanks for the link. Sounds like we don't want the tourism business, really, doesn't it?

Squawk7700 20th Jan 2022 22:09

Sounds like there’s an opportunity for a syndicate to purchase an N reg 172 or similar to be based in Aus for FAA pilots to fly, or similar in the US with a VH aircraft based in the US.

I wonder what the interest levels would be in such a venture!

Pearly White 20th Jan 2022 22:22


Originally Posted by chimbu warrior (Post 11172853)
Not familiar with this - can you please explain?

It's an ID card that's recognised by ICAO. He's a part-time corporate pilot for a US family and flies their G550 from the US to wherever they want to go, usually European capital cities and resorts. He tells me it's the only ID card he needs to access airside for walkrounds etc.

Arm out the window 20th Jan 2022 22:25


Sounds like there’s an opportunity for a syndicate to purchase an N reg 172 or similar to be based in Aus for FAA pilots to fly
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Then they'd make the owners set up a discrete AOC (which apparently doesn't exist any more but really does) with key personnel, manuals etc which would have to be renewed every year ... would be a walk in the park for sure. Our world-class system is a wondrous thing.

43Inches 20th Jan 2022 22:35


Originally Posted by tail wheel (Post 11172884)
The information you need to obtain a Certificate of Validation is HERE.

I suggest your friend commence applying for an Australian Certificate of Validation at least one or two years ahead of his planned visit and expect to be frustrated by professionals. I haven't read the current requirements but will probably to require a Certificate of Competency in English, a Class 2 Medical Certificate from a CASA approved Doctor, an ASIC Card and he may find birth certificates from at least five generations of antecedents also helpful.

We can't have these unqualified foreign pilots flying in our Aussie air space!! :=

That information only applies to stays of longer than 12 months or an intention to work while in Australia, from the header notes anyway. Pretty sure its just apply for a PPL conversion/CoV by correspondence, not sure you need an ASIC though if not intending to use security controlled airports.

swh 20th Jan 2022 23:12


Originally Posted by Pearly White (Post 11172896)
He tells me it's the only ID card he needs to access airside for walkrounds etc.

That would be for his current job, would not be able to use that for flying a light aircraft in Australia. Foreign crew in Australia cannot access airside with their ICAO crew certificate, they have to get someone with an ASIC to give them entry, and at time also escort them.

That is the knee jerk reaction made in Australia post 9-11.

Clare Prop 21st Jan 2022 02:56

He'll need to get a Certificate of Validation from CASA, an ASIC and then a flight review.
Difficult but not impossible to apply for an ASIC from overseas.
AS for whether he would get through the international border, fully vaccinated but not sure if visas are available for holiday makers yet.


Sir HC 21st Jan 2022 03:28


Originally Posted by Arm out the window (Post 11172897)
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Then they'd make the owners set up a discrete AOC (which apparently doesn't exist any more but really does) with key personnel, manuals etc which would have to be renewed every year ... would be a walk in the park for sure. Our world-class system is a wondrous thing.

You saying this brings me joy TB. Keep up the good fight mate and don't give up until you're at the top of that organisation and have made sweeping changes.

monkey_see 22nd Jan 2022 18:30


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11172955)
Difficult but not impossible to apply for an ASIC from overseas.

Are you sure? Would love to hear how!?


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