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43Inches 24th Sep 2021 01:38

https://www.australianveterannews.co...xq9YGmEVv_AiwI

An article about a veteran who attended and was brought to tears trying to get them to respect the shrine. The shrine was then cleaned by other veterans from the area.

cattletruck 24th Sep 2021 04:00

I'm telling you, these Victorian public servants are the dumbest of the lot.

From
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...23-p58u6m.html


The state government wanted to keep some of its “big build” construction projects working as it imposed a two-week shutdown on the rest of the industry but trade union objections put a stop to the plan.

jonkster 24th Sep 2021 04:26

I listened to 2 politicians expressing their disgust and outrage about the behaviour of the protestors (a sentiment I 100% agree with, desecrating war memorials!, attacking police, trashing property, spitting on health care workers! - disgusting and totally unacceptable to our society) but when asked about the comments of one of their party members, who described the those same protestors as "freedom fighters" and who called the police under attack as the thugs, they respond "look I don't agree with him but it is a free society and he is entitled to his opinions" and "it is a matter for his electorate not the party to judge" and "that is just George being George".

Have some (upper case expletive removed) spine!! At minimum just say "those comments are completely unacceptable no matter if they are my party or not!".

Because those comments, from people in a mainstream political party, part of our government, deserved to be called out by the government, not excused.

That goes for any party, green, blue, red or yellow or whatever. If it is wrong it is wrong.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being called out and criticised and condemned vehemently for your speech if it deserves it.

It leaves me despairing of leaders who place allegiance to political party and spin over principle.

I would vote for someone of principle who was willing to admit fault and wear the consequences, over the spin merchants and party players that our system seems to encourage, no matter what their party was.

I nearly broke the radio in my car when I heard their response to the comments...

dr dre 24th Sep 2021 06:16


Have some (upper case expletive removed) spine!
They have a one seat majority in the House, they’re not going to criticise any member. It’s why Christian Porter can receive $1 million in anonymous donations and only have to go sit on the backbench for a few months. No sackings or by elections allowed.

So they can’t discipline any member, even if it’s an extreme right anti-vaccine blowhard like Christensen.

jonkster 24th Sep 2021 06:46

My 2c. Clearly others may differ but I think most Australians would cheer and rally behind pollies who stopped playing politics and numbers and started acting like leaders.

If faced with the choice between turning a blind eye to a parliamentary member who encourages people to denigrate our war memorials, assault and intimidate health workers and police and... losing a majority, I would say, give me someone with enough spine to choose the latter.

Country or party? Give me someone who would choose country over party.

Paragraph377 24th Sep 2021 07:31


Originally Posted by jonkster (Post 11115834)
My 2c. Clearly others may differ but I think most Australians would cheer and rally behind pollies who stopped playing politics and numbers and started acting like leaders.

If faced with the choice between turning a blind eye to a parliamentary member who encourages people to denigrate our war memorials, assault and intimidate health workers and police and... losing a majority, I would say, give me someone with enough spine to choose the latter.

Country or party? Give me someone who would choose country over party.

We don’t have leaders.We have corrupt, gutless, incompetent grubs in politics. Their focus is on self preservation, making under the table deals that top up their bank accounts, and shoring up their life outside of politics. They couldn’t ‘lead’ themselves in a game of musical chairs.



triadic 24th Sep 2021 09:57

To bring this thread back on the subject - the implementation process for a Restricted Area for political reasons: The following from Australian Flying magazine this afternoon.....


A temporary restricted area imposed over Melbourne by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority has raised the ire of many within the general aviation community.

The TRA was put in place on Wednesday at the request of Victoria Police who were combatting anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination protesters. The area covered a 3 nm radius centred on the Shrine of Remembrance from the surface to 2500 feet and was to be active for five days.

The move handed control of the Class G airspace within the zone to Victoria Police, which enabled them to stop news helicopters from live-streaming the protests. Police did give permission for helicopters to film, but demanded that footage be broadcast on a one-hour delay.

News outlets were granted relief from the TRA by the Federal Court yesterday, which has allowed live-streaming until CASA's decision to grant the request can be reviewed by the court next week. The media outlets argued that Victoria Police has no power to enforce the live-stream ban.

AOPA Australia CEO Ben Morgan said move was concerning and the justification for the TRA was not based in aviation safety.

"Our association is genuinely concerned that access to Melbourne's CBD airspace has been closed without valid justification, preventing commercial and media aviation from accessing the area," he said.

"Commercial and media aviation users accessing and operating within the Melbourne CBD are well versed and practiced at operating safely.

"Access to the Melbourne CBD airspace should not be manipulated for the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny or for political reasons."

Temporary Restricted Areas (also called "No-fly Zones") are not uncommon and have been applied in situations such as the devastating 2019-20 bushfires and the Melbourne Commonwealth Games and the Sydney Olympics. However, creating a temporary restricted area for the purpose of controlling media coverage has proven controversial and raised questions of censorship.

Victoria's AvSEF (formerly RAPAC) team was also not informed that the TRA had been imposed.

A CASA spokesperson has told Australian Flying that CASA is unable to comment whilst the matter is before the courts.
This request should never have been approved by CASA.

Peter Fanelli 24th Sep 2021 10:27


Originally Posted by White Knight (Post 11115194)
Pretty much sums up what the rest of the world are now asking about Australia...

"Biomedical Police State" is what they are calling Australia.

Paragraph377 24th Sep 2021 11:46


Originally Posted by triadic (Post 11115916)
To bring this thread back on the subject - the implementation process for a Restricted Area for political reasons: The following from Australian Flying magazine this afternoon.....

This request should never have been approved by CASA.

Correct, it should not have been approved. However, the CASA CEO, who knows naught about aviation but plenty about politics, is only doing what her political masters have instructed her to do. As we all know, a CASA CEO/DAS and the Board are in place not to make proactive and disciplined aviation decisions based upon safety and risk, they are in place to protect the Minister of the day and do as he says. And in this case, the PM did not want the size and scope of the protests to be reported honesty and accurately for all to see, hence the hastily enforced restricted airspace.


compressor stall 24th Sep 2021 22:05

There’s often a restricted area around aircraft accident sites… is the principle reason different?

triadic 25th Sep 2021 03:06

CS... what do you mean as "aircraft sites" please?


Designation of prohibited, restricted or danger areas1.
(3) CASA must not declare an area to be a restricted area unless, in the opinion of CASA, it is necessary to restrict the flight of aircraft over the area to aircraft flown in accordance with specified conditions in the interests of any of the following:

(a) public safety, including the safety of aircraft in flight;

(b) the protection of the environment;

(c) security.

compressor stall 25th Sep 2021 23:55

Sorry left out the word “accident”.

Some fatal aircraft accident sites have in the past have had a restricted area popped on them.

CaptainMidnight 26th Sep 2021 00:31


Some fatal aircraft accident sites have in the past have had a restricted area popped on them.
That's usually been justified by heli downwash potentially presenting a bio and debris hazard and evidence disturbance to EMS personnel and others working at the sites.


deja vu 26th Sep 2021 09:08


Originally Posted by jonkster (Post 11115808)
I listened to 2 politicians expressing their disgust and outrage about the behaviour of the protestors (a sentiment I 100% agree with, desecrating war memorials!, attacking police, trashing property, spitting on health care workers! - disgusting and totally unacceptable to our society) but when asked about the comments of one of their party members, who described the those same protestors as "freedom fighters" and who called the police under attack as the thugs, they respond "look I don't agree with him but it is a free society and he is entitled to his opinions" and "it is a matter for his electorate not the party to judge" and "that is just George being George".

Have some (upper case expletive removed) spine!! At minimum just say "those comments are completely unacceptable no matter if they are my party or not!".

Because those comments, from people in a mainstream political party, part of our government, deserved to be called out by the government, not excused.

That goes for any party, green, blue, red or yellow or whatever. If it is wrong it is wrong.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being called out and criticised and condemned vehemently for your speech if it deserves it.

It leaves me despairing of leaders who place allegiance to political party and spin over principle.

I would vote for someone of principle who was willing to admit fault and wear the consequences, over the spin merchants and party players that our system seems to encourage, no matter what their party was.

I nearly broke the radio in my car when I heard their response to the comments...

There was no desecrating a war memorial, attacking police, trashing property or spitting on anyone. Rather than breaking your radio better you tune into unbiased sources.

jonkster 26th Sep 2021 09:45

Oh I see.

So the phone footage I saw of people attacking police cars, smashing vehicle mirrors, throwing bottles and rubbish was all CGI generated?

The CEO of the Shrine of rememberence was lying about the rubbish and urine on the shrine? The photos I saw of people climbing and lounging on the shrine are not real?

The CEO of Cohealth was lying about the abuse and the spitting on health workers?

Which sources should I tune into for unbiased stuff?

John Eacott 26th Sep 2021 10:15


Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight (Post 11116844)
That's usually been justified by heli downwash potentially presenting a bio and debris hazard and evidence disturbance to EMS personnel and others working at the sites.

Absolute horse droppings: helicopter downwash from orbits at 1-2,000ft couldn't be measured. More likely to be affected by the beating of a butterfly's wings := :rolleyes:

deja vu 26th Sep 2021 10:34


Originally Posted by jonkster (Post 11116980)
Oh I see.

So the phone footage I saw of people attacking police cars, smashing vehicle mirrors, throwing bottles and rubbish was all CGI generated?

The CEO of the Shrine of rememberence was lying about the rubbish and urine on the shrine? The photos I saw of people climbing and lounging on the shrine are not real?

The CEO of Cohealth was lying about the abuse and the spitting on health workers?

Which sources should I tune into for unbiased stuff?

Pretty much yes.

As far as recommending an unbiased source I can't help you, but your reaction to two politicians answering about their colleagues viewpoints tells me you don't want to know.

Squawk7700 26th Sep 2021 12:48


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 11117000)
Absolute horse droppings: helicopter downwash from orbits at 1-2,000ft couldn't be measured. More likely to be affected by the beating of a butterfly's wings := :rolleyes:

I circled an aircraft accident scene and posted a couple of the pics on here once. The ATSB contacted me and asked for the full set of pictures as the ones that VicPol took weren’t any good 😊 $14,000 of wasted taxpayer dollars.



jonkster 26th Sep 2021 21:27


Originally Posted by deja vu (Post 11117012)
Pretty much yes.

seriously?

pretty extroadinary claims.

based on what evidence?

Originally Posted by deja vu (Post 11117012)
As far as recommending an unbiased source I can't help you, but your reaction to two politicians answering about their colleagues viewpoints tells me you don't want to know.

Based on evidence you don't want to reveal because I get irate at politicians. Fair enough. :rolleyes:

buckshot1777 27th Sep 2021 01:03


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 11117000)
Absolute horse droppings: helicopter downwash from orbits at 1-2,000ft couldn't be measured.

Having had Kiowas holding and orbiting @ ~1500 overhead and suffering the resulting dirt and dust stirred up by their down wash, I can say its an issue.

But not to drivers of such machines, of course.


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