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Stiff Under Carriage 22nd Aug 2002 12:17

Between a Rock and a Hard Place?
 
HI ALL!

I am currently between a roack and a hard place. Just reading some of the previous threads about instructing verus charter and getting rather depressed.

I am currently instructing with just under 65% of my total time being instructing. I am currently desperate to move out of this area and into charter, single engine would be great. The problem is, I am unsure HOW to do this, as said many times before its all catch 22.

My current time:
1460hrs TT
1250hrs PIC
100hrs NGT
70hrs IF
50hrs ME

Oh... 900hrs INST

Any advice for a puzzled aviator please feel free. Doesn't matter how wild or weird.

Cheers, SUC:confused:

Sheep Guts 22nd Aug 2002 18:14

Well I suggest you start the journey. Unless you want to instruct for the rest of your career. Flying Charter will give you new experiences, and skills and most probably a little more grunt to play with.:D
There are many threads on this subject Stiff Undercarraige. I suggest, taking a pilgrimage north like many, may work in a bar for a while but with your hours you may get a look in earlier than some. DONT EXPECT TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO A POSITION, many campaigners do, and leave very early, not even giving it ago. So I suggest going DARWIN,NorhWA and QLD first:p

GOOD LUCK AND DONT TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER, YOU HAVE STIFF COMPETION!;)

Career Command 22nd Aug 2002 20:21

S u/c

Are you multi engine rated.

Sound a little humble.

C441 Conquest job in the wings @ Brisbane International.

You have ticked the boxes for instructing.

Now venture forth, take the challenge and as the previous response says "don't take no for an answer"

Rich-Fine-Green 22nd Aug 2002 21:13

Take the punt and venture out there or risk getting stuck in Instructing like some Pals of mine did.

Not that there is anything wrong with instructing, I really enjoyed it but you sound like it's time to move on. An instructor who is not happy or devoted is not doing his/her students or company any good. Just as important do it for your self.

As a back up, keep your Instructor rating current as there are a number of operators that do M/E charter as well as flight training.

Stiff Under Carriage 22nd Aug 2002 23:36

Thanks guys,

Sheep Guts; Your suggestion was basically what I was wanting to do and thought I should do. So thanks.

Career Command; To answer your question, yes I am multi rated with 55 hrs ME and MECIR with 1 renewal.

Richy; I agree with you, however I still give it my best as that is what I am here for, at the moment, but just don't enjoy it any more. Thanks for the advice.

Any more suggests keep'em coming.

Cheers to all.

SU/C

Sheep Guts 22nd Aug 2002 23:40

Oh yeah! SU/C definitely keep you Instructor Rating current as said by RFG , especially if you have METR , for Check and Training and Chief Pilot Positions its a must. Not to say you have CP experience yet, but the more feathers in your cap you have the better. I wish I now had a METR RATING!

Airspeed Ambassador 23rd Aug 2002 02:45

If you have 3 IF renewals, you could try

www.surveillanceaustralia.com.au

They have taken on many people with the min requirements.

AA

Sorry - just re-read that you only have one renewal. Hang in there and good luck. I was in the same position about 10 years ago, now I am close to my first jet command!! Good things come to those that persists!

SuPeRcHaRgEd 23rd Aug 2002 06:07

Dear Stiff...

I can empathise with you as I am in exactly the same boat with only slightly more hours and grade 1.
I have been trying now for what seems like years to land a twin charter job and from my experience charter operators seem to have a negative attitude towards guys like me who have instructed for the majority of their careers even though just over half of my total experience is instructional.
If you are like me and confident in your abilities as a pilot but can't work out why you can't get that illusive twin job you're not alone.

I have found the best opportunities for obtaining a job come through someone you know not what you know or your qualifications.

Thats my two bobs worth!

Stiff Under Carriage 23rd Aug 2002 09:41

Supercharged,

Its nice to know I am not alone in this perdicament. So have you made a break. I hope so.

Airspeed Ambassador,

Thanks, I will contact them as all they can is no, well see what happens. I too have experienced that its who you know not what, but I guess thats life. Persistance and determination will pay off eventually I guess.

Thanks again to all your help and support is certainly comforting.
:)

Airspeed Ambassador 23rd Aug 2002 10:05

Try Karratha Flying Services, WA , good operation with progression to twins. Have a (small) flight school also - would get your foot in the door.

Skippers Aviation, Perth, who have a cadetship (I think) and employ low time guys/girls as Metro FO's. Have own web site.

AA

redsnail 23rd Aug 2002 12:17

A useful tip would be to do a search for airfields in the bush that have flying schools and charter companies there. I am a bit out of the loop but I dare say you have a grade 2 or possibly a grade 1 instructor rating? That is often very useful to charter companies because you can "easily" slot into C&T. If the charter company has a flying school as well then you can be quite useful to them. Some of my friends have done that and combined instructing with charter and eventually moving onto the twins.
I think many charter firms aren't fond of instructors (high time) because of a percieved work ethic. I don't recall too many instructors doing 50 hourlies or assisting in 100 hourlies, washing aircraft and so forth.
If you can show your prospective employer that you will do the mucky stuff then I am sure you'll be given a go.
What you will have to do is be realistic about getting onto twins immediately and cop some more single time. Move to the areas that are known to take on people with low hours on twins and make yourself known.
So, do a search online via the yellow pages and make some phone calls. Then plan the attack.
Have a look here for more advice.

Cardinal Puff 27th Aug 2002 16:23

There's always Africa. Try Rossair at Lanseria outside Johannesburg. They operate all over Africa and also have work in Europe and Afghanistan. Their number is +27-11-701-3500. You won't get rich but I guess turbine time comes a close second (or is that third?).


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