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runway16 11th Jul 2021 09:57

Changes to the system
 
For those that have been around for a while:

When did the Restricted PPL (later to called GFPT and later gain the RPL) come into being? Year?
&
What year did ASA change aerodrome prefixes from e.g. ABDV to YBDV.

I recall it went from A to Y almost overnight with little advance notice.

GoNorth 11th Jul 2021 14:10

I have A in late 1993 and Y in 1994 in my logbook.

Exactly what month it changed is a little unclear.

Vag277 11th Jul 2021 23:30

Airservices did not exist in 1993. Change TO COUNTRY CODE would have been instigated by ICAO, not AUSTRALIA

topdrop 12th Jul 2021 01:36

I was still in Flight Service and instructed on the changes, so it would have to have been 1988 or earlier. The change was made as part of the change from 6 to 8 letter identifiers for aviation facilities on the AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network). Sydney Tower went from ASSYZT to YSSYZTZX.

Lead Balloon 12th Jul 2021 03:32

I don't think the location codes for aerodromes changed as early as 1988. (It might have for international flights...).

For example, the Autumn 1990 Aviation Safety Digest quiz question 7 opens with: "You are planning a flight to Melbourne (AMML) with an ETA of 0500UTC."

I think the changes (at least for pilots filling out flight plans and getting forecasts and NOTAMS through the system) changed in around December 91?

le Pingouin 12th Jul 2021 03:38

Definitely post 1989 as it was still "A" when I commenced FS training that year and the change was several years later - I'm plugging for 93. The AFTN changes must be what you're thinking about as they were already through in 89.

CaptainMidnight 12th Jul 2021 04:40


Originally Posted by le Pingouin (Post 11077209)
Definitely post 1989 as it was still "A" when I commenced FS training that year and the change was several years later - I'm plugging for 93.

I agree with 1993 or 94.

A lady with the initials SS in the then CAA HO had the task to implement it I recall.

Geoff Fairless 12th Jul 2021 05:04

Papua New Guinea had a sub-ICAO code of AY when it was administered by Australia. We used A followed by the FIR code such as S=Sydney, B=Brisbane. (eg Brisbane = ABBN, Sydney = ASSY)
PNG became independent on 16 Sep 1975 and retained the sub-FIR code AY (see Jackson Field, Port Moresby which is still AYPY)

I do not know when Australia decided it needed a separate code, the FS guys would have a better idea, being involved in message addressing. I would guess that it would have occurred when we updated our AFTN machinery.
I imagine that there were not many letters left so we chose Y.

Capt Fathom 12th Jul 2021 07:16


Originally Posted by runway16 (Post 11076857)
When did the Restricted PPL (later to called GFPT and later gain the RPL) come into being? Year?

I did mine in ‘75 so it was before then.

On Track 12th Jul 2021 07:47

I got my restricted PPL in 1991 so the GFPT must have been some time after that.

CoodaShooda 12th Jul 2021 07:54

The Restricted PPL was the first step in 1972. Need to go further back, I guess.

By George 12th Jul 2021 08:38

I was issued a Restricted PPL in February 1967 with the list of restrictions on page 7. (subsequently followed some months later with a large stamp across the entire page, 'RESTRICTION LIFTED').

triadic 12th Jul 2021 10:31


What year did ASA change aerodrome prefixes from e.g. ABDV to YBDV.

I recall it went from A to Y almost overnight with little advance notice.
As above it would have been in the early 90's. There was no consultation whatsoever including the then RAPACs. The AOPA president of the day was Peter Patroni who wrote a letter to the Dept of many names setting out the situation and objecting to the way it was introduced without any consultation etc. Every word of the letter started with a "Y". I wish I still had a copy, it was a classic! From what I recall the change was instigated by Australia. By the time everyone found out about it, it was already on the books internationally and could not be changed. It was managed by a team of two, one of which was a lady and consulation was not in their manual at that time!

For info:

On 30 November 1973 the DCA merged with the Department of Shipping and Transport and became the Department of Transport, Air Transport Group. This group was again reformed as its own Department on 7 May 1982, the Department of Aviation (DOA). Another merger took place on 24 July 1987 when the DOA was absorbed by the Department of Transport and Communications. On 1 July 1988 the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) was formed to control aviation safety regulation and provide air traffic services.

Checkboard 12th Jul 2021 10:48

That's the progression of goverment attitude right there as well. :(

A "Department of ..." sees their role as promoting whatever they're department of.

An "Authority" sees their role as Ordering people working in the industry about.

A "Safety Authority" sees their role as defending public safety from those reckless arseholes in the industry, preferrably by stopping them from working at all.

The Banjo 12th Jul 2021 10:59

I think Perth used to have it's own FIR. Thus
APDN for Darwin
APMR was Meekatharra
APGN Geraldton
APKG Kalgoorlie
APCR Carnarvon
YPAD is a throwback to those days.

etc etc

Lead Balloon 12th Jul 2021 21:43

Yep. And YPPF

Sydney had its own FIR. Thus
YSDU
YSWG
YSBK
etc
and of course YSSY

aroa 12th Jul 2021 22:10

The change from Department of Aviation (DOA) has certainly worked it’s way thru DOTC And CAA to the penultimate Authority CAsA…which has in fact achieved its original acronym…
DOA.. Death of Aviation.

Ascend Charlie 13th Jul 2021 04:54

And before that it was the Dept of Civil Aviation (DCA) and now it is Dept of Uncivil "Experts", or DUNCE.

CaptainMidnight 13th Jul 2021 06:25


I imagine that there were not many letters left so we chose Y.
True. And the reason for having to change from the "A" to "Y" (or something else) was because of the increase in ALAs & HLSs here wanting their own 4 letter code for electronic flight planning etc. There weren't enough available 3 letter suffixes remaining in the "A" series.

Vag277 13th Jul 2021 09:15

For more background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code


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