So far the word is that the problems that existed with the cagro are still there. ie freq congestion - too much chat etc. any other updates??

Of course they are, because they haven't actually changed anything in the system…..

Lets see, frequency congestion has been named as one of the ‘latent risks’ by the OAR.

Solution: mandate more radio calls on a separate dedicated frequency. Brilliant!!!

*facepalm*

The extra surveillance must be helping :confused:

Well there haven't been any crashes, so so far it's a resounding success!! Back slaps all round!

It’s uber safe when there’s practically no aircraft flying around at the moment.

For the introduction of a new service it is probably the best time to do so for all concerned, ATC & aviators.

It would be unwise to start at a time with high traffic levels without a lot of prior ATC sim time, ghosting etc.

And why delay introduction, waiting for traffic levels to pick up?

Got an email last week asking if I wanted to submit something for consulation re the proposed changes to airspace classification.
It was set up in such a way that the participant virtually had to agree there was congestion at the Mangalore, and to say why.
The statement said among other things
Unfortunately, there was no mention of Wahring, which is probably the closet of all the airfields.
There is a mix of RAA, fixed wing aircraft, both of the certified and sports variety plus gyros and a phalanx of gliders.
About 30 aircraft all up.
But somehow, CASA did not think the inhabitants of Wahring were required to be "consulted".
Not sure if the folk at CASA bothered to look at a map.
There are numerous private airfields scattered within this 25 NM sphere of influence, none of which were asked to contribute anything.
As is so often the case, it seems that someone has decided this was a good idea and thus conduct a bit of sham consultation to say that they consulted the relevant parties.
Its ridiculous that IFR pilots are required to practice instrument approaches using VOR, when there are so few available, much less being used.
The majority of students at mangalore are Chinese.
I doubt China will be putting in atoo many VOR's
Its the same with YSHT and its NDB.
There are regular testy discussions between pilots because the VFR guys have no idea what the IFR guys are talking about when they give their calls about interecptiing the outbound radial, or conducting the missed approach route.
When you are on a see and avoid lookout, it helps if you have an idea as to where you should be looking for IFR aircraft.
In this day and age of RNAV, GNSS, etc, why are we still mucking around with NDB and VOR?
Mick

It’s not the airspace that is the problem. It is the failure of many pilots, including instructors to understand the required procedures appropriate to the circumstances. It is also a failure of CASA to ensure that such procedures are taught and examined to a level which will help ensure the level of communications is undertaken in such a way the risks are minimised. It used to be covered under “airmanship” but seems that is not taught any more?

According to one R Smith, you don't need a radio, so keep them eyes peeled.

Traffic. Not sure if you are referring to me!

I have always been a strong supporter of radio fitment however I have advised that pilots remain vigilant to see and avoid because there are times when a radio may be faulty or on the wrong frequency

Hi Folks does anybody have any gossip on an incident at BNA last Thursday (16/9) involving an RPT and a Cessna Caravan?

Yes, somebody does.

You mean the caravan that took off 06 while a Jetstar and Virgin were on approach to 24? Causes one to go around, then climbs through the level they agreed to maintain to separate from the second jet? All while SFIS does nothing because they don’t handle anything in the circuit...

Bring back the CA/GRS - if they haven't already packed up and left.

VH_FTS - many thanks. Mmm not a good look.