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Mach1Muppet 12th Jan 2021 06:23

Moorabbin Airport in 2021
 
Gday all,

Went to the eastern side of YMMB today, to have a look at the impending demolitions of the blue demon Tasfast and Simpson Aeroelectric Hangars, and all i can say is it is truly saddening to see. In case you were unaware, a new DFO is going up and has removed the old eastern grass aircraft parking as well as a considerable chunk of the airport. I have attached some photos of todays outing.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3800143b94.jpg
The old Ian Baillie Aircraft sales hut /old soar flight ops building impending destruction
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fcd2a84eef.jpg
New DFO going up, old hangars have already been demolished
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7243f2ff0.jpg
Old TASFAST building awaiting its fate
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0ac731eb13.jpg
Tasfast looking a bit worse for wear
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0bb8b131f7.jpg
Inside of TASFAST
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....210fc0d547.jpg
The view looking down towards the old grass parking area. Very saddening.

Squawk7700 12th Jan 2021 07:15

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....03c34dd26.jpeg
It sure is sad. I see they’ve moved all the wrecks from the DFO end to the north west of the runways adjacent the northern run-up bay which is a little depressing.

The good news is though that there will be lots of extra parking space, although I’ll miss the “yellow” area on final in poor viz.... it gives something to aim at.

SOPS 12th Jan 2021 08:00

Serious question .. what are all the yellow aircraft. What is their story?

NaFenn 12th Jan 2021 08:19

They're former SOAR aviation aircraft who was one of the largest training companies at Moorabbin. They went into administration at the end of last year.

The aircraft themselves are Bristelles, a light sports aircraft.

SOPS 12th Jan 2021 08:21

Thanks for that 👍

ACMS 12th Jan 2021 09:19

So far they appear to be building big factories there, doesn’t look like DFO shops to me....one is supposed to be a bicycle warehouse....

Squawk7700 12th Jan 2021 09:33

To lose a key part of an airport to a bicycle warehouse is a real kick in the guys to aviation.

Capt Fathom 12th Jan 2021 10:03

More money in bicycles than aeroplanes. No brainer really!

lucille 12th Jan 2021 10:56

Out of curiosity, do the old FIA and AAC hangars still exist? Is the Royal Vic bar still there?

I remember MB of old as a vibrant GA airport with lots of daily charter and freight flights, maintenance and training going on.

I guess with the carcass of GA well and truly decomposed, there’s not much going on.

Squawk7700 12th Jan 2021 22:01

Royal Vic are still going strong with bar and restaurant (subject to C19) with the seperate flying school building to the north-west of the bar.

Squawk7700 12th Jan 2021 22:17

I took this on the weekend. Apologies I missed the construction site, however you can see where Soar used to be, plus the second set of yellow Foxbats, along with RVAC etc. it was disappointing that they demolished the playground when they put the Oxford building next to the tower and didn’t replace it.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5d6e2b84c.jpeg

machtuk 13th Jan 2021 01:01

Imagine what the rest of that land is worth now to the grubby developers? One day I'm sure both EN & MB will be gone, replaced with ghettos, just memories in old picture books gathering dust on shelves! -(

airspace alpha 13th Jan 2021 01:15

Interesting. I count around 170 fixed wing aircraft visible in that image ( or course more in hangars). Mostly it must be said CAE/Oxford, RVAC, Learn to Fly, wrecks and dumped Soar. I've a collection of older aerial images and the one for 1996, in last days of the FAC, shows around 180. Mostly GFS as was, and RVAC, and of course wrecks.
The next Master Plan for Moorabbin (and in fact most federal leased airports) is due out later this year for consultation

Mach1Muppet 13th Jan 2021 01:20


Originally Posted by airspace alpha (Post 10966758)
Interesting. I count around 170 fixed wing aircraft visible in that image ( or course more in hangars). Mostly it must be said CAE/Oxford, RVAC, Learn to Fly, wrecks and dumped Soar. I've a collection of older aerial images and the one for 1996, in last days of the FAC, shows around 180. Mostly GFS as was, and RVAC, and of course wrecks.
The next Master Plan for Moorabbin (and in fact most federal leased airports) is due out later this year for consultation

Last time i saw aeroplanes dumped like soar, was at tulla when Ansett went under! hopefully that master plan is actually sensible, as there is talk of relocating an apron in-between 35R and 31L, I just think that will end in disaster
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bce17f646c.jpg


Torukmacto 13th Jan 2021 03:01

Stored ( dumped ) aircraft are a common site at most airports all over the world . Search photos of ASP , airlines that have gone out of business or going out of business have aircraft stored just like soar . YMMB is just one example , nothing unusual for the times we find ourselves in .

Squawk7700 13th Jan 2021 04:15

This was taken only a few short years ago.

This was taken:

- Before Soar really took off as you can only see about 5 yellow aircraft
- Before the toxic mound of soil was built on the NW corner
- Post the Oxford being placed where the playground was
- During the Oxford accommodation being built
- Before the Oxford 172's filled the apron at the base of the tower
- Before the massive construction works and the road re-opening on the south-west corner
- Before money-grabbing RTO's became a "thing"

In the scheme of things, quite a lot has happened in recent times, aviation related.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8a413dda1b.jpg

lucille 13th Jan 2021 05:16

Thank you, Squawk 7700... brought back a gazillion memories. I’m definitely going to come down for one last walk down memory lane.

AAC, FIA, Schutz, Civils hangars still all there, along with Peninsular’s and Superspread’s... Ahhh... the good old days when we actually had a thriving GA industry.

And I see the NDB is still there. Good grief! Does anyone fly NDB approaches these days? Or is it there as part of the museum which is next door.?

I don’t see Peter Bini’s A-frame... from which hundreds of freshly minted Class One Instrument rated pilots emerged.

Stikman 13th Jan 2021 08:17


Originally Posted by lucille (Post 10966796)
And I see the NDB is still there. Good grief! Does anyone fly NDB approaches these days? Or is it there as part of the museum which is next door.?

I don’t see Peter Bini’s A-frame... from which hundreds of freshly minted Class One Instrument rated pilots emerged.

I still do NDB approaches for my IPC, but not for much else..

Bini's is opposite RVAC, and next to Skylines.

VH DSJ 13th Jan 2021 10:10


Originally Posted by lucille (Post 10966796)
Thank you, Squawk 7700... brought back a gazillion memories. I’m definitely going to come down for one last walk down memory lane.

AAC, FIA, Schutz, Civils hangars still all there, along with Peninsular’s and Superspread’s... Ahhh... the good old days when we actually had a thriving GA industry.

And I see the NDB is still there. Good grief! Does anyone fly NDB approaches these days? Or is it there as part of the museum which is next door.?

I don’t see Peter Bini’s A-frame... from which hundreds of freshly minted Class One Instrument rated pilots emerged.

Do you mean Schutts? They produced lots current and recently retired airline captains. Anyone know who occupies (occupied) their facilities after they shut?

Mach1Muppet 13th Jan 2021 10:27


Originally Posted by lucille (Post 10966796)
Thank you, Squawk 7700... brought back a gazillion memories. I’m definitely going to come down for one last walk down memory lane.

AAC, FIA, Schutz, Civils hangars still all there, along with Peninsular’s and Superspread’s... Ahhh... the good old days when we actually had a thriving GA industry.

And I see the NDB is still there. Good grief! Does anyone fly NDB approaches these days? Or is it there as part of the museum which is next door.?

I don’t see Peter Bini’s A-frame... from which hundreds of freshly minted Class One Instrument rated pilots emerged.


The old Super spread signs are still up, however faded beyond belief!

Checkboard 13th Jan 2021 11:03

I got my instrument rating with Ewen Jarvis - but did do some training with Peter.

Kulwin Park 13th Jan 2021 12:29

SOAR's maintenance and semi storage is all now in the old Schutt's building office area & the hangar. Recently was tarmac'd out the back to accommodate the aircraft into the back of the hangar. Someone's recent pic above shows this.

Nearymmb 14th Jan 2021 00:01

The NDB. Sometime around 2003 the museum approached MAC with the idea of erecting shade sails over their exterior exhibits. MAC was amenable but suggested a chat with Airservices (ASA) to check whether there might be any issue regarding the NDB. The tower guys were Ok and passed it to ASA Property for comment. They came back with the directive, no less, that this could not proceed and not only was it not allowed but the old CASA building, the new CASA building, and the Heller factory (not even on airport grounds) infringed and must be taken down!
The lease for the NDB was one of the oldest on the airport and when MAC pulled it out of their files found that they were in fact right- the NDB lease precluded any structure within quite a fair distance. Of course when it was originally signed in the 50’s there were no structures nearby.

The airport manager did a few calculations and realised that the ASA tower also intruded, so he called an emergency meeting of all parties to work out what to do. ASA Property were adamant that the lease was the lease was the lease but everyone else was trying to sort the mess out. First of all was the NDB actually used? All the flying schools said yes, they use it for training, but it turned out the only operational use was very occasionally by King Island Airways.

OK, so exactly how do the existing structures affect the performance? And when was this last calibrated? At which point there are awkward coughs from ASA and the answer comes back, actually its never been calibrated since construction. Meeting terminated.

Then by a strange coincidence the ASA KingAir just happens to come down to Melbourne the following week and lo and behold a calibration is done. Turns out the only impact, a small one at that, comes from the Police Academy building some way away. Wiser heads then prevail and its agreed the shade sails can go ahead if MAC collects “no objection” letters from the flying schools and operators, which they did. The sails never did happen for other reasons. And the NDB is still operational with, as far as is known, no plans to remove it.

Mach1Muppet 14th Jan 2021 21:48


Originally Posted by Nearymmb (Post 10967427)
The NDB. Sometime around 2003 the museum approached MAC with the idea of erecting shade sails over their exterior exhibits. MAC was amenable but suggested a chat with Airservices (ASA) to check whether there might be any issue regarding the NDB. The tower guys were Ok and passed it to ASA Property for comment. They came back with the directive, no less, that this could not proceed and not only was it not allowed but the old CASA building, the new CASA building, and the Heller factory (not even on airport grounds) infringed and must be taken down!
The lease for the NDB was one of the oldest on the airport and when MAC pulled it out of their files found that they were in fact right- the NDB lease precluded any structure within quite a fair distance. Of course when it was originally signed in the 50’s there were no structures nearby.

The airport manager did a few calculations and realised that the ASA tower also intruded, so he called an emergency meeting of all parties to work out what to do. ASA Property were adamant that the lease was the lease was the lease but everyone else was trying to sort the mess out. First of all was the NDB actually used? All the flying schools said yes, they use it for training, but it turned out the only operational use was very occasionally by King Island Airways.

OK, so exactly how do the existing structures affect the performance? And when was this last calibrated? At which point there are awkward coughs from ASA and the answer comes back, actually its never been calibrated since construction. Meeting terminated.

Then by a strange coincidence the ASA KingAir just happens to come down to Melbourne the following week and lo and behold a calibration is done. Turns out the only impact, a small one at that, comes from the Police Academy building some way away. Wiser heads then prevail and its agreed the shade sails can go ahead if MAC collects “no objection” letters from the flying schools and operators, which they did. The sails never did happen for other reasons. And the NDB is still operational with, as far as is known, no plans to remove it.

this is one of the most interesting articles ive ever read!

Checklist Charlie 15th Jan 2021 00:08

The place has changed a bit since it was an "all over" field.
Changed does not necessarily mean "improved"

CC


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