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Office Update 13th Nov 2020 12:27

RFDS Western Australia - modifying PC-12's with 5 blade props
 
November 11, 2020,
from: AIN online

Royal Flying Doctor Service (RFDS) in Western Australia is upgrading its fleet of Pilatus PC-12 turboprop singles with Hartzell 105-inch-diameter, five-blade composite propellers. The new propellers will replace the existing Hartzell four-blade aluminum propellers on the utility aircraft that the RFDS uses for medical emergencies and patient transfers. Last year the RFDS fleet transported 9,012 patients over 8 million kilometers (4.97 million miles) across Western Australia, reaching some of its most remote corners.

RFDS already has three PC-12s in service with the five-blade propellers installed at the Pilatus factory and two more are undergoing installation at RFDS’s maintenance base in Jandakot. The operator further has three more on order, and RFDS Western Operations managing engineer Andy Lewis said plans call to upgrade its entire fleet of 16 PC-12s. West Coast Propeller, Hartzell’s recommended service facility in Western Australia, is supporting the conversion.

"The new Hartzell propellers are lighter, stronger, require less maintenance, and provide more torque, which enables the aircraft to fly better and ultimately save on fuel," Lewis said, adding they will also reduce vibration, increasing patient comfort.

"The five-blade composite swept-tip props chosen by the RFDS are specially designed to maximize performance for the Pilatus PC-12," added Hartzell Propeller president JJ Frigge. "The prop is a product of Hartzell's multimillion-dollar investment in structural composites, advanced aerodynamics, and modern manufacturing processes."

Pettibone 13th Nov 2020 21:49

https://hartzellprop.com/hartzell-in...r-pc-12-fleet/

Section28- BE 14th Nov 2020 09:45

Shouldn't, do know that- 'Field Repair' approval.....?????, or pull the Blade on-site....???

Just a question.
rgds
S28- BE

havick 14th Nov 2020 19:56


Originally Posted by Section28- BE (Post 10926249)
Shouldn't, do know that- 'Field Repair' approval.....?????, or pull the Blade on-site....???

Just a question.
rgds
S28- BE

Why field approval? Pretty sure it’s just an STC.

Office Update 14th Nov 2020 22:33

Bolt the new prop on to engine.
Insert STC into AFM and review any Operational Limitations.
Good advice to suggest conducting 'dynamic prop balance'
Sell old props to other RFDS divisions or Ebay

Easy easy!

Kiwiconehead 15th Nov 2020 03:14

How do the composite props hold up on dirt?

Switchbait 15th Nov 2020 05:54


Originally Posted by Kiwiconehead (Post 10926789)
How do the composite props hold up on dirt?

You need to keep a few tubes of Araldite handy...


Kiwiconehead 15th Nov 2020 07:39


Originally Posted by Switchbait (Post 10926817)
You need to keep a few tubes of Araldite handy...

Same as the Dowty props on the Q400 then

Section28- BE 15th Nov 2020 08:31


Originally Posted by Switchbait (Post 10926817)
You need to keep a few tubes of Araldite handy...

Righteo then, gotya!!! Ta- assume, the 5x minute/300 second variety- link here: https://www.selleys.com.au/products/...dite-5-minute/

Given, The Mission and Contingent Risk/Liability Study and then Compliance etc. ....- then also, the 'Busted Ringer' on the stretcher/ or the 'busted' Appendix....

Mr Hartzell link here, ALL Good: https://hartzellprop.com/services/ov...repair-videos/

Thanks all- got 'it' now....!!!!
Sorry to interrupt.
rgds
S28- BE

Desert Flower 15th Nov 2020 13:56

Several of the YPAD based PC-12's have the 5 blade props.

DF.

Global Aviator 15th Nov 2020 20:30

No one has mentioned what I consider a very important reason.

How good do they look!

:E

atakacs 15th Nov 2020 20:39

Is it the NGX propeller or something different ?

0ttoL 15th Nov 2020 21:51

I'm guessing that better ground clearance is also a factor?

Blueskymine 15th Nov 2020 23:25

Doesn’t matter how many blades your prop has when you only have one engine.

Captain Nomad 16th Nov 2020 03:45

Both the 4 blade aluminium and the 5 blade composite props on the PC12 are 105" diameter so no real change to prop clearance...

The composite props have a steel leading edge strip so it would take a lot more effort to damage them than the aluminium ones... I doubt RFDS would be running them unless they had proven that they hold up well on the dirt strips.

machtuk 16th Nov 2020 05:07

They better be good cause at $85K or so per prop that's a LOT of donation dollars!

Switchbait 16th Nov 2020 10:31


Originally Posted by Kiwiconehead (Post 10926857)
Same as the Dowty props on the Q400 then

I assume so. It’s how we filled the dings in the EMB120 props too

0ttoL 16th Nov 2020 21:05


Originally Posted by Captain Nomad (Post 10927466)
Both the 4 blade aluminium and the 5 blade composite props on the PC12 are 105" diameter so no real change to prop clearance...

The composite props have a steel leading edge strip so it would take a lot more effort to damage them than the aluminium ones... I doubt RFDS would be running them unless they had proven that they hold up well on the dirt strips.

Great information. Thank You Captain!!

bolthead 17th Nov 2020 10:38

I have it on good authority that you can pick the difference in performance. Not necessarily in a good way.

rcoight 17th Nov 2020 14:54


Originally Posted by bolthead (Post 10928592)
I have it on good authority that you can pick the difference in performance. Not necessarily in a good way.

Really? I’ve got plenty of time behind both props and given the choice I’d take the five-blade every time.

Performance is much better during take-off / climb and it’s also noticeably smoother / less vibration.


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