PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions-91/)
-   -   1 mile right of track (https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/634816-1-mile-right-track.html)

Xeptu 18th Aug 2020 11:32


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10864081)
Xeptu, isn’t the problem that as aircraft approach each other, they both receive the same errors in the gps signals? The absolute accuracy is not material. Both receivers will try and direct you to the same point.

Yes that's right, so you will both be within that same 30 metre circle as a worse case error.

Xeptu 18th Aug 2020 11:45


Originally Posted by scoutah1 (Post 10864082)
Please explain to this long retired army pilot what is meant by the magenta line

The flight planned track, that which the autopilot is following to the next waypoint

scoutah1 18th Aug 2020 12:15

Thank you. Now I understand. In my day it was chinagraph on a map.

Checkboard 18th Aug 2020 18:56


Please explain to this long retired army pilot what is meant by the magenta line
Classic video that spawned the phrase, from the dawn of Electronic Flight Displays in cockpits....



Xeptu 19th Aug 2020 02:28

This is the FMS (Flight Management System) of your day scouah
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....92c41b1e0b.jpg
The Pray Wheel

double_barrel 19th Aug 2020 11:45


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10863219)
Part of the problem is for VFR drivers they have so much fancy stuff in their machines that not only does their flight pass by without hardly looking out the window they are heads down which actually puts them in a higher risk bracket for mid air collisions!


It's definitely a thing with VFR in uncontrolled airspace, even when hand flying because you keep coming back to the magenta line no matter how sloppy your flying. And it does not need much fancy stuff - an ipad is enough. But use of the 'advisory frequency' seems to effectively reduce the risk. Here in 5Y land everyone is very conscientious about announcing their presence as they progress (at least, the ones I hear are :) ), is it the same in Aus?

Tee Emm 19th Aug 2020 11:50


Triadic posted a link to an accident report where there was a midair collision. It is well worth reading - especially this extract: I must admit I had never thought of the situation where a collision is imminent and you have to decide whether to roll out of the way or climb/descend out of the way. See below


1.9.9 Pilot Avoidance Techniques

Assuming that a pilot will be capable of visually detecting another aircraft in flight and determining that the closing geometry represents a mid-air threat, then the final stage in the see-and-avoid sequence is to initiate an effective avoidance response. The aim of that response will be to increase the miss distance between the aircraft. The effectiveness of that response is dependent on a number of factors; in general, either pilot can alter the geometry of a collision by changing some combination of aircraft speed, altitude, and heading. Because each of these actions will affect the geometry differently, it is essential that the pilot choose an appropriate combination of actions that will merge to achieve a corresponding effect.Footnote7

The optimum avoidance response will differ depending on the time to impact. There is research evidenceFootnote8 to indicate that, outside 10 seconds to the point of closest approach, the pilot should use compatible manoeuvres combining speed, altitude, and heading change. However, once the aircraft are inside the range of approximately 10 seconds to impact, the pilot should employ an altitude change only. This conclusion is based on an argument that, when two aircraft are confined in close quarters, the essential action is to minimize the relative cross-sectional areas of each aircraft. Under these circumstances, it has been generally found that any application of bank will increase the relative cross- sectional area and thereby increase the probability of impact.Footnote9

As an example, a Piper Navajo aircraft similar to the one involved in this occurrence will have a vertical cross-section of approximately 13 feet when in level flight. At bank angles in the range of 45 to 60 degrees, the vertical cross-section will be in the range of 28 to 34 feet. The final value of the vertical cross-section will be dependent on the aircraft's wing span and on the applied bank angle.

Formal training on how to recognize in-flight collision geometry and on how to optimize avoidance manoeuvring is not part of the required syllabus for any level of civilian pilot licence in Canada.


All times are GMT. The time now is 22:36.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.