QF 2003 Cadet Pilot Program
 

Details for the 2003 program are up on the website:

2003 Cadet Pilot Program

Applications currently being accepted.

Heard the price for a cadetship is around $110,000 and not the $75 000 listed in the price list!:eek:

HOLY SMOKE!!!

No mention of "industry experience" this time around.

Anyone know if the 2002 Cadets are still going to be subject to "industry experience" and, if so, where they'll be doing it?

Cheers,
TL

gidday Jimmy, long time no speak.

how's things with the big boys...??

hmm... if you add accomodation and food to the price you'd be looking at something like that (as is the case at BAE Adelaide).

TL, I don't think industry experience went ahead for the 2002 bunch either...

Lancer

Whats the deal with not being eligible for Cadet Selection if you already hold a CIR? Having applied 2 years ago and being rejected narrowly for the group interview i was told to reapply etc as a commerical cadet and now they are excluding those with advanced qualifications!!!

I understand that they are trying to standardise their cadets' training, but not even giving you a look see it pretty poor, but i guess this is how it will be until, if ever, they are in desperate need for pilots..............

BASTARDS

*Lancer*

$35 000 for accomodation and food? Where do you stay?

The Hilton? :eek:

The industry experience component didn't go ahead for the 2002 cadets.

Radar - G'day, hows it all going mate?

flying-phonebox - I think the problem with holding CIR is that it leaves you no flying to do for the duration of the 6 months course.

hmm - The $35k is undoubtedly so high due to the prestigious Adelaide Northern Suburbs location next to Salisbury!!

:D

Mate the reason that you are not able to apply for the Cadet Ship if you have your CIR, is that QANTAS want to be able to train their pilots. Having your CPL is one thing but their is still more training that has to be done.. They constantly assess each cadet so at the end of it they can say Yay or Nay... If you have your CIR then wat training are you going to do??? and how are they going to be able to tell if you are a good pilot or not?? Plus you are pretty much eligable for Direct Entry (as soon as you have 500 hrs in command) The cadetship is their for abinito or cpl students. Not Advanced guys like yourself.

hmm... Don't know if you'd call it the Hitlon ;), but that's about the standard price for the live-in arrangement at Adelaide. It's similar for anyone that chooses to do the flying course there... I'm not saying it's good value of course - but most of the people seem to have a good time!

Regarding the CIR thing: even though you may have a qualification (including theory), you are still required to undertake the lessons and tests involved. If you have a base PPL, you're obviously not going to get in as a level 2 cadet, but will have to re-do all the flying (even S&L)! Practically speaking you might get away with a little less than the whole lot over again, but the intention to 'retrain' is still there... It can be frustrating of course - but thats the way it works! It seems to be a standards and assessment issue. The final marks for theory (either the actual ATPL, or a final set test) are used to determine your ranking at graduation along with your flying results (flying carries more weight). Your ranking then determines your seniority on joining. As such, there's an expectation to attend the theory even if you've already done it, as is that case with the flying itself.

The CIR was permissible until the 2002 intake. I personally know a lot of guys who are now unfortunately ineligible because of the new policy, and it's a bit of a shame. I don't know the absolute reason the policy was changed, but there have been a number of incidences in the past where IR pilots have had difficulty meeting the performance expectations. There have been a few that didn't make it to the job because of this.

Lancer

does anybody know how many people applied and how many make the final cut and out of them how many get a job in the previous years.

also if you don't get a job with QF what are the opportunites for Cadet pilots to be employed else where

cheers

cessna capt :cool:

Cessna Capt,

The statistics for some of that is on the Qantas website... roughly, under 10% of those who apply make it through the selection. There is no aim to prevent cadets from reaching the job - its based solely on your performance (unless recruiting stops). Generally about 10% have missed out, but it varies from year to year.

Prospects to be employed elsewhere are the same as everyone else in GA looking for a job!

Lancer

I like the wording:

In other words, pay $110,000 and we MIGHT give you a job! :D :D :D

Got to love QF! ;)

Does anybody know if you hold a CIR but it has lapsed does that allow a look in at the cadet program?:D:confused:

I was under the impression that QF receives not one single cent of the $75,000 plus that is charged to go through the cadet program - anyone verify this?

hmm...from my understanding, all cadets who have been offered who have successfully completed the course have been offered jobs and if told to 'go and get some experience' for whatever reason, will ultimately be offered a job.

I think it's a legal thing that you can't guarantee someone a job and then tell them to pay for their training. I don't think it is QFs intent to string anybody along!

Yeah I think Qantas has the intent to hire every cadet, but they have also given themselves a safety blanket just incase a crap cadet somehow got through their application process (no process is perfect).

Also if you aren't guarenteed a job, then you would work harder then if you knew you were assured a job (competition).

That figure of $75K is a guideline, as ideally a perfect cadet will do X amount of flying hours multiplied by hire rate comes to $75K.
However if you are struggling in certain parts you will have to redo certain lessons. This can add that extra $30K - $40K depending on the ability of the cadet.

Your joking right? :eek:

But in what capacity? :confused:

It's always based on the perfect student! I see it at every flying school!

"Your the best pilot, but it's going to take an extra 20 hours dual before we can sign you off" :p

The cadet program is a joke! It's for people that have more money then sense and see it as an easy way to get work in an airline.

$75 000 - $110 000? I would want a job after that! :D :D :D

Guys,

I actually know of one person who was not taken on by QF initially after the cadetship, then they flew in GA for a while and got a job with them after, it is possible!:)

You are correct in saying that QF dont recieve a cent from the cost of the cadetship.
Infact it costs them in terms of administration, uniforms etc.

It is Qantas's intent to employ everyone who is selected for the cadetship. The only person who has control over employment is the student themselves, if you're mature, do they work and put in the effort then there will be a job waiting for you at QF (dependant on the fact that QF are recruiting at the time).

Goodluck to all applicants (I believe they're expecting over 1000 this year, for around 30 places).
And if anyone wants any info feel free to e-mail.

(PS-Been ages since I've made an appearance on Pprune, good to be back! hehe)