Best method of getting AOC
What is the best method for getting an AOC in Australia for freight ops?
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This could be a very interesting thread? :}
An AOC for SE turbine PC12 passenger/freight, possibly RPT, IFR operations including SE night - how long is a piece of string? Have you contacted CASA for a time and cost estimate? |
"What is the best method for getting an AOC in Australia for freight ops?"
The prerequisite for gaining an AOC in Australia is lots of money, time and the patience of Job. |
In the current economic environment, I would think that CASA would roll out the red carpet, invite you in for drinks and dinner and give it to you on a plate in about 48 hours.
At least that is the equivalent of what we did for prospective investors in industry during the Kennett Victorian Administration all those years ago. |
The least complicated and least expensive way, and the one that puts you at least risk of losing your sanity, is to buy a controlling interest in a company which holds an AOC authorising the operations you want to carry out. A change of control behind the ‘corporate veil’ is not a transfer of the AOC. The AOC continues to be held by the same person. However, CASA will be all over the company when it finds out, to ascertain whether the company continues to have adequate key personnel, financial viability etc.
I occasionally see adverts for AOC’s ‘for sale’, which I assume means someone holds but wants to sell his/her controlling share/s in a company that holds the AOC. (It’s not legally possible for one person to sell an AOC to another person. I suppose a person could sell the piece of paper to another person, just as I could sell my driver’s licence to someone, but it’s useless to the person who paid for it.) |
Trust you have plenty of time and plenty of money ! Good luck !!
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I have assisted several companies to obtain an AOC in the last few years including though complete blank state applications and purchase of existing AOC holding companies.
Both options have their advantages and disadvantages and both are not something you should leap into without understanding of what you are getting for the money. Common pitfalls include:
If you want some free advice feel free to drop me a PM. |
Talk to Tigerair, their AOC is still active, I knows there's hundred of pilots floating around and a few old Buses & Boeings, just lying idle -:)
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For Airwork??
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Hello,
Do I need to worry about any of this stuff if I just get an aircraft and employ pilots to fly it, instead of going down the freight aspect? Thank. |
Hello,
Who is the best person to see about this? Thanks, |
Get your own, don’t purchase an existing AOC.
In this climate plan for the whole process to take at least 9 months minimum. Draft you exposition suite (ops manuals) to be compliant as best as you can with the new Part 135 and 138 regs, this will make the transition easier. |
Do I need to worry about any of this stuff if I just get an aircraft and employ pilots to fly it, instead of going down the freight aspect? |
Why not visit your nearest CASA Office. And while you are on their website, look up AOC.
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Originally Posted by Progressive
(Post 10813907)
I have assisted several companies to obtain an AOC in the last few years including though complete blank state applications and purchase of existing AOC holding companies.
Both options have their advantages and disadvantages and both are not something you should leap into without understanding of what you are getting for the money. Common pitfalls include:
If you want some free advice feel free to drop me a PM. Or is that too sensible for CASA? |
..........and another potential investment in Aviation with its associated jobs, sadly vanishes into the sunset.
‘’Of course you are right Lucille. In the current and future economic climate CASA should be falling all over itself to facilitate ANY investment. But sadly no. |
How does being able to download or purchase a set of template manuals qualify someone to hold an AOC?
What process should CASA follow to ascertain whether an applicant has the necessary competence and capacity to hold an AOC? I’m not suggesting the current process is other than ‘overkill’. For a start, the scope of operations for which an AOC is required is too broad. But for the operations that justify an AOC, the criterion cannot be: “The applicant has obtained some template manuals.” |
Lead,
You might be missing the point. There is a place for an organisation to prepare manuals on others behalf. Fine tune the manuals at a later date. From the thread start point it is clear the applicant is inexperienced in Aviation. The CASA face to face interview for CEO, CP, Safety, etc etc will determine if the applicant has the necessaries. |
Ah. So the criterion is: The subjective opinion of some CASA people after a ‘face to face interview’?
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Not freight, just prive instead
Originally Posted by tail wheel
(Post 10826801)
I suspect you are considering a venture in which you have no qualifications, knowledge or experience?
For example, to get pc12ng's, wouldn't a management team with the experience to run the show be more effective? I know a little bit, but not enough to run the whole show, so would obviously be looking for a team situation. Maybe private may be the better way to go, however, if I get an aircraft ( as above, or a jet ) do I need to get an AOC for private use? Can I just get some pilots to do the piloting stuff ( as far as I know ), or will I still need a management team as well. |
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