In the '80s there was a government policy that there should be a tower at every aerodrome with jet RPT services. Those services spread faster than the Tower program! The tower at Gove was built but never manned. Dick Smith took control of the CAA and started the cost benefit analysis of towers resulting in the closure of many including Mt Isa, Wagga, Karratha, Port Hedland (until the Shire offered to pay to keep it open), closure of briefing offices, closure of Flight Service etc. This eventually resulted in development of a structured approach to airspace collision risk analysis, involving ALL sectors of industry. An evolved version of that process is now used by the Office of Airspace Regulation, within CASA but with its own establishing legislation and Ministerial direction.
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Yup
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Originally Posted by iron_jayeh
(Post 10699445)
The more cta you put in, the less airspace I can use etc. That then creates what Dick calls roadblocks in the sky. Which then forces other aircraft into unsafe situations.
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And that in a nutshell is it , OCTA Aus.
The operation was a success but the patient died. The bureaucratic organisation was a triumph but the outcome was a disaster. Could only come from a Public Servant. |
Originally Posted by Vag277
(Post 10699494)
In the '80s there was a government policy that there should be a tower at every aerodrome with jet RPT services. Those services spread faster than the Tower program! The tower at Gove was built but never manned. Dick Smith took control of the CAA and started the cost benefit analysis of towers resulting in the closure of many including Mt Isa, Wagga, Karratha, Port Hedland (until the Shire offered to pay to keep it open), closure of briefing offices, closure of Flight Service etc. This eventually resulted in development of a structured approach to airspace collision risk analysis, involving ALL sectors of industry. An evolved version of that process is now used by the Office of Airspace Regulation, within CASA but with its own establishing legislation and Ministerial direction.
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Originally Posted by iron_jayeh
(Post 10699371)
two pilots who have been given traffic on each other could communicate and self separate.
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Originally Posted by Super Cecil
(Post 10699509)
Was there going to be a tower at Mangalore?
Just before my time though - 60's - early 70's I think. Reintroduction of one since has never arisen. |
Originally Posted by Super Cecil
(Post 10699509)
Was there going to be a tower at Mangalore?
CASA provides the guidance as to when a Tower should be established, unfortunately MNG would be well below it. Of note, it is not Airservices, but CASA (previously OAR) that provides direction about airspace classifications etc, in conjunction with your local RAPAC. If you want to influence change, that's who you should be talking to. |
Still OAR that operates within CASA
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Yet the OAR used to be within Airservices.
Although it may be ostensibly amusing or educational for the bureaucrats in CASA and Airservices to point at each other while the ping pong match of responsibilities leaves the industry in a state of confusion in this case, that approach is unlikely to contribute positively to air safety. |
LB
OAR. has been in CASA for 13 years and ICAO airspace classifications for more than 20 years. The only excuse for confusion is failure to pay attention!j |
Spoken like a true bureaucrat, Vag!
Those who haven’t failed to “pay attention” for the last couple of decades or so know why the airspace regulation hot potato/ticking parcel/stinking turd is in the lap of CASA. |
Not a bureaucrat, just stating facts.
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PM me your email address, the reason being I have absolutely no trust in your good self with your postings thus far. |
We have a saying about that down here in Aus. Its something to do with pots calling kettles a certain colour. |
Or does Hoosten and squawk think pilots aren't able to do this? Appropriate airspace for the density of traffic. |
Ah yes the good old they only have a PPL, they must be incompetent. I remind you that 200 hours is enough to be in the right hand seat of an RPT jet, so that pilot is not inexperienced. Also the main solution everyone on here seems to want to propose is class E down to 1200ft. Which is not going to protect you from that VFR pilot. In fact to an extent it may make it harder. The solution for this would be a tower. In most occasions that would be overkill. |
Coming from another country with similar airspace usage vs coverage issues (Canada, for those wondering), it's been absolutely shocking to find out how silly the airspace is here.
It has been equally silly to see that there isn't such a thing as Mandatory Frequency airports, as there are in Canada As an aside, NavCanada - Canadian equivalent of AirServices - puts those in at airports that are a) busy enough for a plain uncontrolled airport to be unsafe, but b) not busy enough for a tower. Staffed by an FIS (either on-site or remote), you have to have made contact prior to zone entry (typically 5 minutes prior), and have to declare intentions. The argument in Canada is often on whether that thresholds are set too high, but at least you have a minimum level of service. Oh, and for the busier ones, they are typically inside class E airspace (but don't have to be). Something like it seems like it would be a good in-between solution for busier airports that don't meet the bar for a tower, while also mandating some infrastructure is available for FIS/ATC to be able to at least get ADSB data down to ground level... And, from having spoken to a number of people here, seems like that was a thing here for a while, but then it wasn't? |
I think the ultimate problem in Australia is that if you treat pilots like criminal children they will act that way [.
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Originally Posted by Hoosten
(Post 10699665)
uhmmm, what? Your response doesn't make any sense. But then again, none of the others have so why stop. It has been a while since you last posted, I think people thought you got the point and disappeared. It had almost turned into a civilised discussion. While I can’t fully decode what was meant here because it’s not quite written in English, the general idea is they are calling you a hypocrite. Probably something to do with the fact that you were calling someone out for telling you how good they are literally one post after you told everyone how good you were. |
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