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RatsoreA 19th Dec 2019 03:47

Moruya crash 19/12/19
 
Two people pulled out in serious condition and choppered to hospital from Moruya on the NSW south coast. Any more info?

mcoates 19th Dec 2019 04:12

There you go.... "a single-engine Cessna jet crashed" or

"Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said a Cessna C210 engine failed while it was cruising and the aircraft hit the ground."

Stickshift3000 19th Dec 2019 05:10

Social media reports that the engine failed at 16,000’, 20 nm out from Moruya. The turbine powered 210 was flying from Bankstown to Tasmania.

Des Dimona 19th Dec 2019 05:34

N registered P210 Silver Eagle has been in Australia for a few weeks - N210BA

PoppaJo 19th Dec 2019 05:37

Socials say they went for 04 then came in too high so repositioned for 18. Was still high so went for 36. Seems quite messy but at least they put it down upwind of 18 and didn’t try a last minute low level turn toward 36 which in most cases ends up fatal.


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gerry111 19th Dec 2019 05:54

Perhaps swotting up on sideslips may be a good thing?

RickNRoll 19th Dec 2019 06:38


Originally Posted by mcoates (Post 10643245)
There you go.... "a single-engine Cessna jet crashed" or

"Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said a Cessna C210 engine failed while it was cruising and the aircraft hit the ground."

It started off as a twin but finished up as a single.

aroa 19th Dec 2019 07:26

Single, no engine ...where would the "Cororate Spokesperson" (sic...very sick !) expect it to go ? Lagrange Point ?

Squawk7700 19th Dec 2019 07:41

Pilot must be seriously due for an AFR if they can’t pull off a glide approach with that much altitude available, like seriously.

ravan 19th Dec 2019 09:01


Originally Posted by Squawk7700 (Post 10643337)
Pilot must be seriously due for an AFR if they can’t pull off a glide approach with that much altitude available, like seriously.

What he said!

Rashid Bacon 19th Dec 2019 09:16

I guess it's easy to be an armchair critic

Flying Bear 19th Dec 2019 09:49

The below is possibly not causal to today’s accident, but it could very well be - so here goes!

Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.

But, of course, what are the chances...?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...

End of cynical narrative...

I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.

machtuk 19th Dec 2019 10:08

They where damned lucky they had land to glide to never lone an airport! SE over that stretch of water is a gamble! Glad they got down safely....phew!

Cxmeron 19th Dec 2019 11:49

I posted this elsewhere but I'll copy and paste it here:

Before the speculation runs too rampant as it has elsewhere... (Please avoid judgement also, the pilot and passenger were airlifted to Canberra Hospital, the last thing they need right now is negative thoughts).

The facts are:
The flight was from Bankstown to Cambridge (Hobart) cruising at FL160. Approx 20nm past Moruya the engine failed, they were losing 1000fpm. The aircraft was pressurised, it was a P210N model. The aircraft had a turboprop, not piston motor. From this height they were able to make it back to Moruya, but had about 2 minutes at most near the airport to assess the situation/airfield and make their decision (which in the heat of the moment would go very quickly, and keep in mind a normal circuit does take around 6 minutes). They chose to attempt an approach onto 04, however were too high and too close so quickly switched to a circuit onto 18, unfortunately they weren't able to make the final turn and instead of attempting a low level steep turn they chose to put it down straight ahead into the overshoot scrub. The wind throughout the day was gusting to around 40kts and it was hot (so people were at the beach).

Moruya can be a tricky airfield, it does have its characteristics that can catch people off guard, an example being unexpected sink near the river, and when it's windy it can be a challenge due to the terrain & mechanical turbulence.

Given the amount of practice forced landings I've done at Moruya, I think the pilot has done a good job under pressure and whatever decisions they thought were right has ultimately saved their lives (and that's all that matters, aircraft can be replaced), although they probably will be spending Christmas in Canberra Hospital. Hoping they have a speedy recovery.

roundsounds 19th Dec 2019 20:32


Originally Posted by Flying Bear (Post 10643408)
The below is possibly not causal to today’s accident, but it could very well be - so here goes!

Maybe the pilot’s last several AFR’s were in twins - FR in which also count for the CR SEA... therefore no requirement for competence to be demonstrated (or maintained) in forced landings without engine power.

But, of course, what are the chances...?

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Australian CASA, who designed that absurd state of affairs...

End of cynical narrative...

I wish a speedy recovery to those on board.

this was a US registered aircraft which has only been in the country for a matter of weeks. Don’t think that one can be attributed to CASA. Having said that, the system is cactus.

Capt Fathom 19th Dec 2019 21:13


SE over that stretch of water is a gamble!

If they have flown from the USA, I doubt they’d consider a quick hop over Bass Strait daunting!

Flying Bear 19th Dec 2019 21:54


Originally Posted by roundsounds (Post 10643766)


this was a US registered aircraft which has only been in the country for a matter of weeks. Don’t think that one can be attributed to CASA. Having said that, the system is cactus.

Quite right, Roundsounds. It is unlikely the pilot was an Aussie, but nevertheless my point still stands - it has long baffled me that a pilot who completes all their periodic assessments in a twin never has to demonstrate the ability to judge a FLWOP - but is still okay for singles in this country (and probably others).

I note that the “general competency” rule possibly covers this - but many pilots don’t know that they are not competent enough until they get caught out.

Not looking to make flying even more onerous, but this is a real issue that will pop up from time to time and it always looks bad for our industry when the pilot of a single is not able to stick a forced landing - especially when there is an airport right there.

Peter Fanelli 20th Dec 2019 01:07

Not the first time that one has crashed.

Subversive1 20th Dec 2019 01:55


Originally Posted by Flying Bear (Post 10643808)


Quite right, Roundsounds. It is unlikely the pilot was an Aussie, but nevertheless my point still stands - it has long baffled me that a pilot who completes all their periodic assessments in a twin never has to demonstrate the ability to judge a FLWOP - but is still okay for singles in this country (and probably others).

I note that the “general competency” rule possibly covers this - but many pilots don’t know that they are not competent enough until they get caught out.

Not looking to make flying even more onerous, but this is a real issue that will pop up from time to time and it always looks bad for our industry when the pilot of a single is not able to stick a forced landing - especially when there is an airport right there.

At some point, in my humble opinion, this becomes the responsibility of the individual. The system is already too onerous and it's unlikely that requiring an AFR for each class rating would have much real effect on outcomes anyway. I fly everyday and occasionally undershoot a glide. Conditions are often different in the last 200 feet or so, particularly on the coast. That said, they did have quite a bit of height to manoeuvre.

Aussie Bob 20th Dec 2019 03:53


At some point, in my humble opinion, this becomes the responsibility of the individual. The system is already too onerous and it's unlikely that requiring an AFR for each class rating would have much real effect on outcomes anyway.
Thank you Subversive, I totally agree. As long as some of you folk keep pushing for regulation, the bigger the rool book will get. It is already past huge. There is also a huge difference between pulling off a simulated engine failure and facing the real deal. This cannot be simulated. Take responsibility for yourselves good people, legislation will not save you.


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