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......So basically light aircraft are required to fly over water to satisfy the RAAF? |
Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10567723)
......So basically light aircraft are required to fly over water to satisfy the RAAF?
Good luck with that at Williamtown... |
Realistically, what are the chances that UVC will be found?
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Was the helicopter registered in the "Limited" C of A category.? Are Limited aircraft approved for NGT VFR ?
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Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10567792)
Good luck with that at Williamtown... Less than 3nm from the (new) threshold of 30 to the drink for an aircraft departing 12. So yeah, good luck with that! |
There’s also a heap of low level fast jet traffic that arrive via the coast. It isn’t the same as the V1 so it’s not really a fair comparison. |
Originally Posted by The sod
(Post 10567870)
Was the helicopter registered in the "Limited" C of A category.? Are Limited aircraft approved for NGT VFR ?
Limited Category |
Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 10567876)
It’s nearly 5nm from the thresholds of 34LR to V1 on rwy track for an aircraft departing 16. Less than 3nm from the (new) threshold of 30 to the drink for an aircraft departing 12. So yeah, good luck with that! The probabilities of an aircraft inbound to or outbound from Williamtown colliding with an aircraft that is identified by and in contact with ATC and tracking at 500’ over water adjacent to Stockton Beach off the extended centreline of runway 12 are [please insert a probability number]. Your use of the word “luck” is appropriate. That’s the basis on which so many decisions seem to be made in this Galapagos. You have to be lucky enough to get into the head of someone who understands objective risk rather than perception and intuition. BTW: How confident are you that Romeo 578B - i.e. outside the 12nm arc from Willytown - was active at the time UVC arrived in the vicinity of Anna Bay? |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10567950)
Please put a probability number at the end of this sentence: The probabilities of an aircraft inbound to or outbound from Williamtown colliding with an aircraft that is identified by and in contact with ATC and tracking at 500’ over water adjacent to Stockton Beach off the extended centreline of runway 12 are [enough to make airlines baulk at the idea of a V1 style arrangement apparently?]. BTW: How confident are you that Romeo 578B - i.e. outside the 12nm arc from Willytown - was active at the time UVC arrived in the vicinity of Anna Bay? |
Originally Posted by belly tank
(Post 10567897)
From photos online it is in the Limited category so no more than 6 pax. As far as NVFR instrument requirements under 20.18 im not sure. Depending on its Limited category index number it may or may not have been approved to fly over populous areas as well? No doubt all will come out in the report.
Limited Category Contrary to popular lore (as opposed to law) Limiter Cat aircraft are NOT limited to 6 persons or pax. Read the AC a little more carefully. Tootle pip!! |
Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 10568047)
You know you could just check the NOTAMs to see its active everyday right? - 100% TIMES MAY VARY AT SHORT NOTICE. PILOTS RESPONSIBILITY TO CK AND MNT STS. ACCESS TO A PRD AREA MAY AVLBL IF THE ACTIVITY FOR WHICH THE ACTIVITY HAS CEASED (EARLY DEACTIVATION) Your “100%” confidence that R578B was still active late on Ronnie’s POETS day is noted. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10568064)
You mean the NOTAMS that say: Those NOTAMS? Your “100%” confidence that R578B was still active late on Ronnie’s POETS day is noted. |
It follows, therefore, that UVC was under air traffic control before it arrived in the vicinity of Anna Bay, as UVC was in an active Romeo. Correct? |
Yeah UVC wouldve had a clearance |
Am I the only one thinking UVC may have violated the Willy CTR without clearance and that might go some ways to explaining his fairly rapid turn out to sea?
ADS-B Exchange has the last ADS-B plot at -32.804943, 152.043326, which appears to be the second-last one FR24 recorded, based on altitude, but it's closer to Williamtown. When you plug those coordinates, and those of the WLM TACAN into a few different Lat/Long distance calculators, you come up with 11nm, according to the US NOAA, or 19.66km / 10.6nm according to a couple of others. The CTR extends 12nm from the TACAN, so is it possible he feared a pineapple for busting their airspace? |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10568104)
Am I the only one thinking UVC may have violated the Willy CTR without clearance and that might go some ways to explaining his fairly rapid turn out to sea?
ADS-B Exchange has the last ADS-B plot at -32.804943, 152.043326, which appears to be the second-last one FR24 recorded, based on altitude, but it's closer to Williamtown. When you plug those coordinates, and those of the WLM TACAN into a few different Lat/Long distance calculators, you come up with 11nm, according to the US NOAA, or 19.66km / 10.6nm according to a couple of others. The CTR extends 12nm from the TACAN, so is it possible he feared a pineapple for busting their airspace? |
You keep saying “would have been”. Do you have first hand knowledge of whether UVC was under air traffic control before arrival in the vicinity of Anna Bay? Not “would have”, but was in fact. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10568130)
You keep saying “would have been”. Do you have first hand knowledge of whether UVC was under air traffic control before arrival in the vicinity of Anna Bay? Not “would have”, but was in fact. |
Righto. Good to get an acknowledgement that you’re merely speculating. Like the rest of us. |
Originally Posted by LeadSled
(Post 10568059)
belly tank,
Contrary to popular lore (as opposed to law) Limiter Cat aircraft are NOT limited to 6 persons or pax. Read the AC a little more carefully. Tootle pip!! |
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