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Sunfish 11th Jul 2019 06:45

it’s not downloadable as a single .pdf.

junior.VH-LFA 11th Jul 2019 07:27

I notice they've also taken On Track down; which is a shame. I'm about to do my first VFR light single flight in 5 years, it would have been nice to revise!

Stickshift3000 11th Jul 2019 07:43


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10514775)
Ozgrade, while you are correct, the existence of pirate .pdfs guarantees that a section of the community will never have up to date information,

This. There have already been amendments (corrections) circulated associated with Edition 6 (2018).

Sunfish 11th Jul 2019 08:41

As a test, I just downloaded the latest skyview installation manual (596 Pages) to my ipad book application. Total time - less than 30 seconds, and I’m currently on a home wi-fi network in a far away place where the connectivity is not that great.

I could also have downloaded a “red lined” version that shows me the latest changes...

Since VFRG is primarily a reference document How could reverting to an online version be safe unless there is a change log and marked up version as well? One would never know what has been changed. Same goes for paper.

Lead Balloon 11th Jul 2019 08:44

I remember when an AL of AIP was issued as plastic pages, on the grounds that there would be so few changes to AIP in the future (from back then) that the content of each page would become permanent. Such optimism was quaintly amusing.

Doing the VFG properly, continuously, takes a lot of work by a lot of competent people, not least because of the chronic state of flux of and ever-growing volume of the rules. I doubt whether CASA’s finite resources can justifiably be diverted to that work and away from other priorities.

Most VFR accidents aren’t caused by a lack of knowledge of the rules. It’s mostly a lack of compliance with the rules, either through inexperience or poor judgment. I don’t see how having an electronic copy of the VFG available will help that much, but I’m happy to stand corrected. I suppose it’s possible that end of daylight calculations would be carried out more frequently and accurately if an up to date copy of the VFG was available for download, but I don’t understand why.

Okihara 11th Jul 2019 09:21

Speaking of keeping content up to date being easier with an online version: here's a good example :

Checklist | Civil Aviation Safety Authority

Check point #6 still refers to ARFOR (as of July 2019 :ugh:) and the reference therein, AIP ENR 1.1 – 87, refers to nothing pertaining to NVFR (:ugh:)

... NICE! (I'll stick to my PDF).

Lead Balloon 11th Jul 2019 09:56

...which raises an important point:

If you’re relying on CASA to educate you on what the rules are ‘now’, using on-line resources, think again! The organisation has been in various states of busted-ness for a couple of decades or so. It doesn’t have the critical mass of resources and expertise to keep the published guidance material up to date with the ever-changing regulatory regime.

Meinte 5th Sep 2019 12:50

Regarding the PDF, I was wondering this myself, and came upon this post. I decided to write a tool that transforms casa's vfrg website to a PDF. I've hosted it on my website, but unfortunately can't post the link here as I never post on pprune(you need 10 posts to be able to post a link). Send me a pm though, and I'll send through the link.

OZBUSDRIVER 6th Sep 2019 00:50

Meinte, you could always just type out the link and us plebs could just cut and paste :p

Meinte 6th Sep 2019 01:04

Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs

Okihara 6th Sep 2019 01:34

Such a positive contribution, a great many thanks!

Stickshift3000 6th Sep 2019 02:25

Nice work!

LeadSled 6th Sep 2019 04:10


Originally Posted by Meinte (Post 10562975)
Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs

Excellent contribution!!
Tootle pip!!

PatrickF 6th Sep 2019 06:12


Originally Posted by Meinte (Post 10562975)
Ah yes.
It's at hellomeinte.com/projects/vfrg

PDF link at the bottom, sits at around 30mbs

Great stuff Meinte - thanks

Aussie Bob 6th Sep 2019 06:55

An awesome contribution, many thanks for your work.

OZBUSDRIVER 6th Sep 2019 20:39

Meinte, excellent work! Even clear, concise and no pretty pictures and diagrams. Bravo Zulu!

OZBUSDRIVER 6th Sep 2019 22:29

.....so that's how a web crawler works! Meinte, thanks for your education. I learned something today, thank-you:ok:


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