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Cirrus down at Tooradin, VIC
Looks like a Cirrus, maybe, down at Tooradin, VIC
https://7news.com.au/news/plane-cras...ctoria-c-92200 |
"No-one to hospital' according to the report.
WOW!! …. 'Shaken, but not stirred' comes to mind.... I guess it says a lot for the 'roll cage' cabin protecting the occupants 'as advertised'..... GOOD ONE. Cheers |
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"The plane was extensively damaged." |
They really FUF’ed up that landing :-) This ADSB thing certainly tells a tale when things go pear-shaped! There’s nowhere to hide! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1a026b9364.png |
a gust of wind caused it to flip off course. |
Gust of wind... I call bull****! Glad everyone got out safe.
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I like it how the channel 9 reporter called Avia where the aircraft was hired from and they said that it was most likely pilot error and there were no faults with the aircraft. Case close. (That is not a typo ;-) |
Never flown a Cirrus, do they suffer from ground effect if they come in a bit hot on final?
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Oh that's a nasty outcome! Physically unhurt (very lucky!) but that's something you would never forget! Be interesting to see what really went wrong. |
There was at least one pilot witness there and others that saw it that described what happened on the channel 9 news. As for landing, you effectively don’t flare them as much as other types, just keep driving onto the ground. If you flare when too slow you’ll hit the tail on the ground. They don’t “hang” like a 172/182 which the pilot was used to. It will be interesting to see her total time on type if/when a report comes out. On final, recommended 80 knots and no less than 78 usually feels safe, with 75 knots the speed to nail over the keys for normal ops on a decent runway. When the speed drops less than that on final it takes a while for the CSU to kick in when you power up so you need to be careful to not let the speed drop off too much. That is for the SR20. |
don’t flare as much as other types, just keep driving onto the ground. What is the maximum permissible crosswind component for landing in a Cirrus? Does the Cirrus require any special crosswind landing technique compared to say a Cessna 172? |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10462324)
.... If you flare when too slow you’ll hit the tail on the ground.
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Originally Posted by A37575
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If you drive any tricycle undercarriage aeroplane into the ground, doesn't that set you up for a damaged nose-wheel and a bounced landing?
What is the maximum permissible crosswind component for landing in a Cirrus? Does the Cirrus require any special crosswind landing technique compared to say a Cessna 172? 20 knots is about the maximum. Not an issue in this case as the crosswind was negligible. It flies like any other aircraft in a crosswind landing that has a fully castoring nose wheel. |
They seem to come to pieces quite easily.
Most of the Cessna and Piper stock are always far more 'recognisable'. A plastic fantastic here. |
Originally Posted by cowl flaps
(Post 10463007)
They seem to come to pieces quite easily.
Most of the Cessna and Piper stock are always far more 'recognisable'. A plastic fantastic here. |
Piper, Cessna or Cirrus? It’s a moot point if you just park it back where you got it from! |
What Okinawa said. You want a structure that absorbs as much as possible of the energy. If it is turned into powder in the process, why would the occupants care? Reminds me of a story told me by a GMH Engineer regarding second or third generation airbags shortly after they were introduced. They were getting complaints from Commodore drivers along the lines of: ”I had a minor accident and your @#$%# airbags went off and cost me $$$.” GMH commissioned a University study of a representative sample of these accidents: the result? Each accident was life threatening - the system had worked so well the driver thought the accident was minor. Sounds to me that Cirrus demonstrates good primary safety though I stand to be corrected. |
Not being at all familiar with Tooradin,- How far did the Cirrus end up off the runway ?
Neither the Channel 7 image or the other image posted by Logansi, show any part of the runway in sight. |
Approximately at the point in red on the reciprocal runway heading to what is pictured below. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1df3418a9.jpeg Runway 22 is from top to bottom in both pics. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....580e14805.jpeg Edit: it’s amazing how short the runway looks on final compared to the overhead pic. |
About the same distance off the runway but in the opposite direction to this Cessna a few years ago: Kathryn's Report: Cessna 182S, VH-PCO: Accident occurred March 20, 2016 at Tooradin Airport, Victoria, Australia
I don't let people take my tailwheel airplane there, mainly for other reasons, but the wind is a factor. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10463971)
Edit: it’s amazing how short the runway looks on final compared to the overhead pic.
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Originally Posted by gerry111
(Post 10464075)
I reckon most runways are like that...
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10463971)
Approximately at the point in red on the reciprocal runway heading to what is pictured below. Thanks for posting those images Squawk. Must have been one 'mother......' of a wind gust. |
Originally Posted by djpil
(Post 10463978)
About th
I don't let people take my tailwheel airplane there, mainly for other reasons, but the wind is a factor. |
Originally Posted by djpil
(Post 10463978)
I don't let people take my tailwheel airplane there, mainly for other reasons, but the wind is a factor.
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The Tooradin refueller says witnesses saw the Cirrus 'kangaroo' down the runway after a bad landing and eventually the pilot simply lost control. Nothing to do with wind which was minimal
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https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....83ff79882c.png Correct... the wind certainly wasn’t significant and was as good as straight down the runway. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10468860)
Why? If they are trained correctly, why would the wind be a factor? Apart from other reasons??
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That gutter needs work, Squawk! Perhaps Shifty Bill could oblige...
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