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Bend alot 14th Apr 2019 01:37

Hovercraft
 
I think there might be a follow up story on the "hovercraft" up in Darwin.

Duck Pilot 14th Apr 2019 03:03

The ABC had a writeup on it a few days ago, great machine to play around with in the Darwin Harbour.

Pretty impressive job building it from scratch!

Does the owner frequent this site, wouldn’t mind learning more about it, particularly how to build one myself.

Stickshift3000 14th Apr 2019 03:19

I can already imagine the discussions at CASA, definition of ‘aeroplane’ etc...

Bend alot 14th Apr 2019 03:54

By CAsA definition - it is not an "aircraft" but that alone will not stop CAsA having the discussions.

WannaBeBiggles 14th Apr 2019 20:06


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10447060)
By CAsA definition - it is not an "aircraft" but that alone will not stop CAsA having the discussions.

There used to be an in ground effect hovercraft out Cairns and I think it was only GRMPA that had anything to say.

Bend alot 15th Apr 2019 01:29


Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles (Post 10447536)
There used to be an in ground effect hovercraft out Cairns and I think it was only GRMPA that had anything to say.

Was that before say something like flight in controlled airspace requiring a transponder?

Or some other silly technicality they might try ping him on!

Can not be having fun guys!

topdrop 15th Apr 2019 03:51

The wing in ground effect craft in Cairns had both marine and aviation registration. Had a dispo for nil transponder. Test pilot was previously aero club instructor. After venture folded, he became a pilot with Jetstar - really nice guy.

Sunfish 15th Apr 2019 04:18

That wasn’t the shuttle to mirage at port douglas was it?

LeadSled 15th Apr 2019 09:01


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10447060)
By CAsA definition - it is not an "aircraft" but that alone will not stop CAsA having the discussions.

Bendy,
Reminds me of many years ago in UK, after much discussion various "Authorities" agreed that cross Channel hovercraft Masters would have to have an ocen going Master's Certificate AND an ALTP with current IR.
It didn't take long to discover that there was no such animal in captivity.
Don'tcha just love "Xspert committees". X as in the unknown quantity, and spert as a drip under pressure, and a committee as a mechanism to make certain nobody is responsible for the outcome, if, indeed there is any outcome, never a high priority among the "Princes of Process".
Tootle pip!!

Bend alot 15th Apr 2019 09:22


Originally Posted by LeadSled (Post 10447859)
Bendy,
Reminds me of many years ago in UK, after much discussion various "Authorities" agreed that cross Channel hovercraft Masters would have to have an ocen going Master's Certificate AND an ALTP with current IR.
It didn't take long to discover that there was no such animal in captivity.
Don'tcha just love "Xspert committees". X as in the unknown quantity, and spert as a drip under pressure, and a committee as a mechanism to make certain nobody is responsible for the outcome, if, indeed there is any outcome, never a high priority among the "Princes of Process".
Tootle pip!!

If GI is still up there with CAsA best it have PC-12 or better performance and redundancies prior to any flight including the water landing checklist updates.

Not sure the spelling of his name (GI) - but PC-12 is enough to identify the guy.

Allan L 15th Apr 2019 09:47

I'm not a pilot, but when the Darwin chap (as portrayed in the ABC newscast) started talking wings, wing spars and then elevators I think to myself "I thought they were talking hovercraft?" PS. I do have a measly 5 minutes in a (genuine) hovercraft.

tio540 15th Apr 2019 10:36


Wunwing 15th Apr 2019 23:29

In the 1970s I had a mate who ran a mechanics business on the Hume Highway in Western Sydney. He was given a hovercraft as a debt payment back when they were still experimental.

He went to DCA, Marine and DMR to find who registered such things and no one wanted to accept responsibility. So being resourceful he "drove" the craft along the highway only to be booked for driving an unregistered vehicle. Responsibility proved??

The local cops spent the next weeks trying to get the ticket back.I bet there were a few hard words in Highway Patrol headquarters over that one.
Wunwing

aroa 15th Apr 2019 23:56

The CNS WIGE outfit that folded, were they trying to reinvent the wheel...with some Govt money ??
They should have just paid a visit to Russia. Them peskie ruskies have had that sorted for decades.
Could probably have got the Caspian Sea Monster at a discount, but probably too big for the PTD run.

Squawk7700 16th Apr 2019 07:33


HPSOV L 16th Apr 2019 12:34

There was one built in NZ a few years ago, quite a slick machine. In NZ it is not classified as an aircraft so long as it is not flown out of ground effect. No licence or registration required.


Bend alot 16th Apr 2019 21:42

They are not classed as "aircraft" in Australia either - but that does not exclude them from rules that use the word "flight" I expect.

tail wheel 17th Apr 2019 00:50


That wasn’t the shuttle to mirage at port douglas was it?
You have a long memory Sunnie! That was a hovercraft operated in the days of Skase, who died in 2001. I think the hovercraft commuter operated briefly between Cairns airport and Port Douglass in the late 1980s?

I remember the WIGE (Wing in Ground Effect) "aircraft" undergoing trials in Cairns, thought it was more recent but looks like it was around 2003 or slightly later:

https://www.pprune.org/tech-log/5241...ht=WIGE+Cairns

Paul Phelan article: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/wing-in-ground-effect-craft-enters-production-160873/

Cairns WIGE:

amberale 17th Apr 2019 03:39

There were also Skase’s hovercraft operating between BN and the Gold Coast(Mirage Resort?).
IIRC they used to come up Kedron Brook behind the tower and scoot down inshore of Straddy.

Lead Balloon 17th Apr 2019 11:54

From the Marine Safety (Domestic Commercial Vessel) National Law Act 2012:

8 Definition of vessel

(1) In this Law:

vessel means a craft for use, or that is capable of being used, in navigation by water, however propelled or moved, and includes an air‑cushion vehicle, a barge, a lighter, a submersible, a ferry in chains and a wing‑in‑ground effect craft.
And if it’s a recreational vessel...

Here’s what the NT Marine Act 1981 defines “vessel” to mean:

"vessel", see section 8 of the Marine Safety National Law.
That’s the definition quoted above.

Bottom line: Although it’s part fish and part fowl, it’s treated as a fish for regulatory purposes.


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