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Vref+5 16th Sep 2019 05:33

It’s part of the mediation process, where CASA can say to the court that they offered this option but it wasn’t taken. What’s the term?”clean hands”? Coming to court only after following all of your obligations? Puts the person with clean hands at an advantage in the court. Some good legal advice would be wise before further action

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 07:05

The Ombudsman is NOT part of “a mediation process “. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!


Ombudsman investigations are private and details are generally not revealed to people who are not legitimately concerned with the investigation. The Ombudsman's office is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1982 and the Privacy Act 1988.



Following an investigation, the Ombudsman is required to consider whether the actions of the department or agency were unreasonable, unlawful, improperly discriminatory or otherwise wrong.



When the Ombudsman concludes that an agency has erred, the Ombudsman may report that view to the agency and recommend whatever remedial action the Ombudsman thinks is appropriate. If the agency does not implement that action, the Ombudsman can report to the Prime Minister and to the Parliament. The Ombudsman must inform complainants of the action taken by the office in response to their complaints.

.......And if you take the bait your case becomes private and the publicity stops - which is what CASA wants, because sooner or later, the media are going to grab your story. The ombudsman does not have to listen to your technical arguments or go into detail because he is not a court with rules of evidence et., etc. just another toothless tiger.

At best the Ombudsman says “tsk, tsk, naughty CASA”. CASA says “sorry glen, now eff off!”. .....And you have still lost your livelihood and are a year older because the ombudsman can’t make a financial settlement. As for reporting CASA to the PM, big effing deal.

All you get at the end is a letter saying “we now consider this matter closed.” .....and the embuggerance of the industry by CASA gets to continue.

To put that another way, a damning Senate review didn’t stop them, the Ombudsman certainly won’t.

Flaming galah 16th Sep 2019 07:39


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10571046)

.......And if you take the bait your case becomes private and the publicity stops - which is what CASA wants, because sooner or later, the media are going to grab your story.

There are no restrictions whatsoever in glen disclosing the ombudsman’s decision. These inaccuracies are potentially dangerous in that they might dissuade glen from a course of action he may be considering.

Bend alot 16th Sep 2019 08:01

The Independent Review/s should be in a court at this stage of the saga in my opinion.

I thought CAsA had said they had stopped talking/correspondence with you and the matter was deemed closed.

So I guess a little heat is in the kitchen, and they want to to be quiet for a while.

$33,191 in under 3 weeks on the GoFundMe, getting close to the home straight.

Flaming galah 16th Sep 2019 08:15

Only glen knows what is best for him. He asked casa to arrange an independent review. Who knows how he managed to get a response after they said they won’t deal with him any more. But It looks like casa did offer what glen wants. So if that’s what he wants, he should do it

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 08:24

I am not a lawyer but I would be deeply suspicious that the Ombudsman wouldn’t be as useless as the AAT and the Senate review process. You need a court in my opinion. A lawyer can put it better than I can, but CASA can totally ignore the Ombudsman’s findings if it wants to, and all the ombudsman can do is report them to ScoMo, big effing deal!

thorn bird 16th Sep 2019 08:57

Have a look at some of the Podcasts of the Scottish gentleman in action at Senate Estimates and then decide if he's a Scottish Git or not.
From the dictionary:
git | ɡɪt |
noun British informal
an unpleasant or contemptible person.

Then decide if you would have the slightest confidence in his probity.

If it sounds like a setup, smells like a setup and looks like a setup, its more than likely a setup. The Albert Einstein lookalike would be behind it and he's known for finding more loopholes than "Loophole Laurie".

Flaming galah 16th Sep 2019 09:03


Originally Posted by thorn bird (Post 10571105)
Have a look at some of the Podcasts of the Scottish gentleman in action at Senate Estimates and then decide if he's a Scottish Git or not.
From the dictionary:
git | ɡɪt |
noun British informal
an unpleasant or contemptible person.

Then decide if you would have the slightest confidence in his probity.

If it sounds like a setup, smells like a setup and looks like a setup, its more than likely a setup. The Albert Einstein lookalike would be behind it and he's known for finding more loopholes than "Loophole Laurie".

Glen ASKED for an independent review.

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 09:47

The Ombudsman is not independent. I think glen meant a JUDICIAL review. Anything less can’t call on witnesses under oath, rules of evidence and independent expert witnesses.

All you will get from a “review “ without the judicial bit is more of the same that CASA has been successfully dishing out for years - technological jargon followed by the words “and safety” - which trumps every official except, I pray, a high court judge.

Bend alot 16th Sep 2019 09:48


Originally Posted by Flaming galah (Post 10571110)


Glen ASKED for an independent review.

Beg to differ.

Reference your email dated 10 September 2019, where you asked Mr Carmody to facilitate a prompt, independent assessment of CASAs actions.

I feel an assessment is what has happened - a review is was it correct.


Oldmanemu 16th Sep 2019 09:49

I worked for CASA for years
My partner worked for the Ombudsman for years
Don't get sucked in.

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 09:53


Originally Posted by Oldmanemu (Post 10571145)
I worked for CASA for years
My partner worked for the Ombudsman for years
Don't get sucked in.

+1 best advice.

Stickshift3000 16th Sep 2019 09:56

Suing CASA for monetary damages or taking the ‘complaint’ to the Ombudsman, are not comparable courses of action. Each has its merits and downsides. Glen needs to determine which action is best for him.

Stay true to your cause...

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 10:20

All you will get from the ombudsman is platitudes. You won’t get money or your business back. The ombudsman has no teeth. That’s why CASA suggested it.

I wish I had more positive suggestions to make.

Lead Balloon 16th Sep 2019 10:37

Why do you continue to communicate with CASA, Glen? Why?

You recently said that on Tuesday 27 August 2019 a CASA Regional Manager wrote to the new owner of APTA and said, among other things:

Hi (new owner of APTA), I understand that Mr Buckley remains as APTA deputy HOO. This is no longer tenable with the comments that Mr Buckley is making publicly. ...
If that’s true, what more do you need to convince you that you are dealing with an organisation that’s a basket case?

What’s the point in further communication between you and them?

You are now preaching mainly to the PPRuNe converted. (Some, like Flaming Galah, are running interference, but that’s to be expected).

Find a good lawyer, ask him or her to advise you on causes of action you may have in the circumstances and the prospects of success, and get on with it. What do you expect will happen if you don’t? A sudden epiphany on CASA’s behalf and the signature of a big cheque in your favour?

If you fancy yourself a chance for a seat in parliament, why don’t you just get on with that? The number of PPRuNers who would be eligible to vote in the seat of Chisholm is negligible.

Bend alot 16th Sep 2019 11:11


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10571072)
The Independent Review/s should be in a court at this stage of the saga in my opinion.

I thought CAsA had said they had stopped talking/correspondence with you and the matter was deemed closed.

So I guess a little heat is in the kitchen, and they want to to be quiet for a while.

$33,191 in under 3 weeks on the GoFundMe, getting close to the home straight.

$34,291 soon after.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buck...Xpz3Mt3w1v5h0A

BigPapi 16th Sep 2019 21:09

You may have difficulties endearing yourself and this case to the general public.

I explained the situation to a family member recently (who had no grounding in aviation) and their response was a pretty simple "well as long as CASA keep planes from falling out of the sky I don't care what they do".

josephfeatherweight 16th Sep 2019 22:33


I explained the situation to a family member recently (who had no grounding in aviation) and their response was a pretty simple "well as long as CASA keep planes from falling out of the sky I don't care what they do".
Well, with respect, BigPapi, you didn't do a very good job of explaining the situation to the family member! Though, I do understand what you are getting at.
You are correct that your average Joe-Blow won't be interested in hearing the story in its entirety, and would likely side with the regulator, which is unfortunate.
But, if people listened to and understood the whole story, they'd be saddened to hear of the unnecessary demise of a hard-working man's business.

BigPapi 16th Sep 2019 22:37


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10571675)
Well, with respect, BigPapi, you didn't do a very good job of explaining the situation to the family member! Though, I do understand what you are getting at.
You are correct that your average Joe-Blow won't be interested in hearing the story in its entirety, and would likely side with the regulator, which is unfortunate.
But, if people listened to and understood the whole story, they'd be saddened to hear of the unnecessary demise of a hard-working man's business.


Thanks for that wonderful assumption champ, but I'm fairly sure I explained it well.

As soon as the word "safety" is mentioned as in, "what does CASA stand for?", It can effectively be used as a smokescreen.

"Well, if the SAFETY authority has an issue with Glen, he must be unsafe". That attitude takes a lot to change in someone who has no grounding in the topic.

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 23:34

Most people have less than a thirty second attention span. In addition they are bombarded with messages, mostly advertising, all day. You CANNOT get very much through to them unless you can turn it into a twenty second sound bite.

That means changing CASA by patient argument and logic is a waste of time and CASA knows it.

That is why I suggested negative political campaigning as the only way to effect change. AOPA USA does this, or threatens to do it, through its own, but not controlled, public affairs committee.

The reason CASA is worried about Glen is that the media and/or the rest of the public service might get aroused, not the general public.....yet. Can you imagine what a five minute segment on “60 minutes” could do in the lead up to a by election?

AND, there might need to be a by election soon (chisholm) and scomo has a one seat majority, a bunch of pilots yelling “don’t vote for scomo!” might then just make all the difference.

If that was threatened, ScoMo would take a blunt and rusty knife to CASA in seconds.

Sunfish 16th Sep 2019 23:47

This is the website for AOPAS Political Action Committee. Although the wording talks about helping our friends, it also implies doing over the enemies - those that don’t support sensible regulation.

https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/take-a...tion-committee


.....AOPA PAC has been created to identify and contribute money to qualified candidates who weigh the interests of general aviation when considering legislation. In addition to our proven friends in Congress, AOPA PAC works to cultivate new members and candidates who are supportive of the industry.

The AOPA PAC provides members with another collective tool to ensure the needs of general aviation are recognized in Congress. By contributing through AOPA PAC, your dollars are pooled with contributions from other pilots and aircraft owners nationwide. This means that each dollar you give carries far greater weight than if you contributed on your own. By acting through the PAC, you are part of a focused and effective campaign to achieve maximum returns from limited dollars.

By acting through the PAC, AOPA members are part of a focused and effective campaign on behalf of general aviation to achieve maximum returns from limited dollars. The PAC allows us to back our friends in Congress who support us day-to-day in defense of our freedom to fly.



Stickshift3000 17th Sep 2019 00:03


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10571705)
The reason CASA is worried about Glen is that the media and/or the rest of the public service might get aroused, not the general public.....yet.

This. The media would jump onto this story.

Small business owner loses his business and house due to incompetent government officers’ decisions.

Bend alot 17th Sep 2019 07:59


Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 (Post 10571720)


This. The media would jump onto this story.

Small business owner loses his business and house due to incompetent government officers’ decisions.

Yes that grabs the public.

- I see the GFM page is now at $36,318 and seems to have found another audience to donate, judging by the quantity of donors the past few days.

Rojam 18th Sep 2019 02:01

Get undertaking from CASA that it will abide by Ombudsman recommendations including any in relation to payment of compensation, assistance in resumption of your business and an apology (if those findings were to eventuate).
Another free option is making a claim under the CDDA scheme against CASA.
Neither of these routes prevent you from pursuing action under the AD(JR) Act in the Federal Court either concurrently or at a later date.

under the radar 55 18th Sep 2019 04:36

Dear Glen,

May years ago I was a student who earned my wings at Moorabbin, I went to a few different flying schools in the process of gaining my licenses and ratings.

Now I am living my childhood dream of flying a jet. In my career so far in this industry, I have met so many people, some good, some great and some horrible. You were a true gentleman who was honest and professional every time I worked with you.

Reading this forum it makes me sad to see what CASA has done to you and your family. I hope that whatever action you take against CASA, they are held to account for their actions in a court of law. I hope that you received the justice you deserve.

I also hope that this brings change in the future to CASA and they start operating with integrity, honesty & professionalism that Australia deserves and expects from a government body.

I hope that your story is picked up by 60 Minutes, Four Corners, Sunday Night etc.....

Glen you have my support mate, I hope to see you win and hold them to account.

LeadSled 18th Sep 2019 06:04


Originally Posted by LeadSled (Post 10568686)
Glen,
I sincerely hope you reach your target, and I hope you have access to lawyers who have aviation knowledge, there are not many good ones around.
With you legal advisers, consider https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2017C00238,.Administrative Decisions (Judicial Review) Act 1977.
Forget the AAT.
Tootle pip!!

Glen,
I repeat my advice, based on my experience, this is your best avenue.
Tootle pip!!

Bend alot 18th Sep 2019 09:34

$132 then 75% of the target has been meet.

Then only $12,500 remains.

Put another way if every donor to-date put in an extra $65 - the target is exceeded.

CAsA must certainly be busy at the shredder.

glenb 18th Sep 2019 12:31

The Media Release.
 
MEDIA RELEASE- 19/09/19

Small Business Owner loses his Business and home, due to incompetent Government Officer changing his mind.

Glen Buckley had a vision to build the most professional Flight Training School in Australia and it looked as if it was succeeding, until an individual within the Government agency, CASA changed his mind overnight.

Without any prior notice, CASA then placed several restrictions on his ability to conduct his business, ultimately leading to its collapse. After 15 years of safe, compliant and well-intentioned operations, the effects have been traumatic for Glen, his family, other businesses and associated personnel.

The CASA action has now caused the closure of three businesses, with the associated loss of jobs. Glen has lost his home, his business, his savings, and is now fighting relentlessly to protect his reputation, and minimise the impact on those around him, including not only his own family, but the many businesses, and associated parties affected by this.

No Small Business owner in Australia, should have their business and livelihood destroyed overnight on the whim of a Government employee, and most certainly not under a Government lead by our current PM. Not unless that person within CASA is prepared to publicly justify their decision. No one can possibly invest in Australian aviation, if a 15 year established, well intentioned, safe and compliant business can be destroyed without warning.

To this day, Glen is at a loss as to the reason why his world was turned upside down. CASA have been unwilling to clearly and concisely state what he did wrong, if in fact he doesn’t even know if he did anything wrong? Glen does know that the CASA action was NOT made on matters of safety, and there were no regulatory breaches.

After one year of trying to find out exactly why this happened, CASA still refuse to explain or justify their actions. Some of the personnel within CASA responsible for this matter have “resigned” but those that remain must be held to account.

He has elected to fight back on this matter, gaining a groundswell of opinion and support from the aviation industry and fair-minded people. His complaints have been sent as high as the Prime Minister’s officeand contains substantive ethical allegations against 4 personnel within CASA that impact on the safety of aviation in Australia and go to the very core of good governance in Government Departments. This is quite literally the David V Goliath story, for the future of Australian owned Small Business in the Aviation sector.

A Crowd Funding page has been established on his behalf, which will reach its goal over coming days. Comments from donors indicate the high level of emotion credited to this matter. You are encouraged to view it, and the associated comments. The associated link, follows.

On reaching the goal of $50,000 Glen will be taking this matter on the path of a legal but public determination and hold CASA to account, for the impact caused by CASAs unconscionable conduct.

The matter is gaining significant momentum. More than 250,000 views by industry peers, on a website referred to as Pprune. The associated link follows.

This is a matter that is not going away. It is growing momentum rapidly and gaining wide industry support. Glens wife and children are depending on him, but so are many other businesses that have been bullied and intimidated by CASA in the past.

He is fully committed to making a stand on this matter.Glen is well versed in the facts and looking for to the opportunity to present his allegations to the Australian Public via a media outlet that is prepared to present a sincere balanced story, where CASA is also presented the opportunity to defend their action

Glen can be contacted preferably by email [email protected], or secondary preferred contact 0418772013


Essential relevant attachments

APTA Before CASA action.
APTA after CASA action.
Letter to PM sent 25/08 .
Prime Ministers Speech to IPA 19/08/19

Additional relevant material-links

Crowd funding page https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buckley-v-casa.
Pilot chat forum (in excess of 250,000 views) https://www.pprune.org/australia-new…ss-v-casa.html
The PMs address to the Institute of Public Administration 19/08/19 https://www.pm.gov.au/media/speech-i...administration
The Ministers Statement of Expectations https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2017L00288
CASAs Regulatory Philosophy https://www.casa.gov.au/about-us/who...ory-philosophy
The PGPA Act https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2013A00123




I presented my media release at the office of Gladys Liu, Member for Chisholm today. That was the location for my "launch".

I provided the accompanying letter; I must mention that I was treated with respect by the personnel in her office.

LETTER TO GLADYS LIU-MEMBER FOR CHISHOLM


Glen Buckley
6 Susan Court
Mount Waverley 3149

19/09/19

Ms Gladys Liu
Member- House of Representatives
Chisholm Electorate.


Dear Ms Liu,My name is Glen Buckley, I have lived in Mount Waverley for 54 years, and I am writing to you as my Member of Parliament seeking your assistance.

I have previously sent correspondence to the Prime Minister. That correspondence related to matters of aviation safety in Australia, and substantive allegations of malpractice amongst certain individuals within CASA.

As that correspondence has not been acknowledged or responded to in any manner, I am seeking your assistance.

Can you please forward the following correspondence to the PM for his personal attention.
May I respectfully request confirmation that has been done.

If you can facilitate these two requests, I would be most appreciative.

Thanking you in anticipation of your assistance.

Respectfully, Glen Buckley, E. [email protected] M. 0418772013






The following letter sent to the Prime Minister 25/08/19.
Resubmitted via Ms Gladys Liu (Member for Chisholm) 19/09/19 due no response from PM.


Glen Buckley
6 Susan Court
Mount Waverley 3149

25/08/19

Dear Prime Minister,

My name is Glen Buckley. I write to you with 25 years’ experience in pilot training in various roles, most recently as a CASA approved CEO, and CASA approved Head of Operations (HOO).

Over the last 15 years I have operated my own large flight training business, and CASA records will indicate those operations have delivered industry leading levels of safety and compliance, and they have been well intentioned.

I write to respectfully inform you of substantive allegations that I am making against four personnel within the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).


This correspondence is not vexatious, and the matters are not trivial.

I will have no difficulty in establishing the facts of the matter, and I have well documented evidence readily available to present against every single allegation I make below.


I am making allegations of improper, wrongful and unlawful conduct against four CASA employees.

The four CASA personnel have clearly made decisions and demonstrated conduct that is outside of policy, directions and the law. Specifically, I refer to Requirements of Administrative Law outlined in CASA’s own manuals and procedures and specifically CASA’s Enforcement Manual. The Ministers Statement of Expectations and CASAs own Regulatory Philosophy. ·

The conduct of those four personnel within CASA has measurably and demonstrably reduced aviation safety.


I allege they have demonstrated unconscionable conduct and made decisions that a well-intentioned person would not make, if they were making decisions on the basis of safety and compliance.They have not acted with honesty and integrity, they have not acted with care and diligence, and they have not acted with respect and courtesy.

They have in acted in a bullying and intimidating manner. ·


I allege those personnel have not used public and Commonwealth resources in a proper manner and have made deliberate decisions that have in fact misused substantial public resources.

I allege those four personnel have made calculated decisions that have caused detriment to my business, and other businesses and that they have deliberately avoided attempts to work collaboratively and resolve issues.

I allege that their decisions and actions potentially bring harm to the integrity and good reputation of their fellow Employees and CASA in general, which can only degrade safety.

I allege that one of those four personnel has improperly used inside information.

I have been attempting to resolve this matter with CASA since October 2018.

Three businesses have already closed, with an associated loss of jobs. It is likely that more businesses will be closed in the near future.
This matter is also negatively impacting on safety. The matter is also receiving greater industry attention, with an article in Australian Flying magazines recently, which I have attached.

A pilot’s forum on the subject has in excess of 250,000 views. https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...ss-v-casa.html

A Crowdfunding page has also been created on my behalf. The target is $50,000 in order to initiate a legal investigation. I anticipate that goal being achieved shortly, and the response has been overwhelming. This can be monitored via the following link. https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buckley-v-casa

The purpose of this letter: May I respectfully request that you nominate the appropriate person to meet with myself, and Mr Shane Carmody, the CEO of CASA or his nominee/s.

All I ask is that your nominee, is well intentioned and shares your vision for the Public Service.


At that meeting I request the opportunity to present my allegations to Mr Carmody in the presence of your nominee and provide well documented supporting evidence. If at the end of that meeting my claims were found to be vexatious or unsubstantiated, I would expect to be held fully accountable in law.

Thank you for considering my request,

Yours respectfully



Glen Buckley

glenb 18th Sep 2019 12:46

Handing it over
 
This must be getting somewhat draining folks. It is coming to a head over coming days. The minute that crowd funding reaches its target, an assessment will be made as to whether the CASA conduct was lawful. Once that happens, by necessity I will obviously have to step back. In the interim, I ill be getting as much out on public record as possible.

Cheers. Glen.

You have all been sensational!

Torres 18th Sep 2019 18:35

With donated funds approaching Glen's required $50,000, I wonder whether now may be the time to generate a public Petition to Parliament?

No guarantee it will achieve much political attention, but it should generate much needed waves in both politics and the media?

Rules here on Petitioning Parliament: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Petitions


Blueyonda 18th Sep 2019 23:00


Originally Posted by Torres (Post 10573096)
With donated funds approaching Glen's required $50,000, I wonder whether now may be the time to generate a public Petition to Parliament?

No guarantee it will achieve much political attention, but it should generate much needed waves in both politics and the media?

Rules here on Petitioning Parliament: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Petitions

An e-petition would be the way to go. I reckon the most important thing this petition could do is let the parliament realise the level of discontent within the GA community. Who is going to be the leader in understanding the rules to petitions and setting this up?

Bend alot 19th Sep 2019 08:40

200 Donors!!!

$38,068 raised.

Bend alot 19th Sep 2019 09:46


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10573488)
200 Donors!!!

$38,068 raised.

Adjustment

$39,118.

I have zero doubt it will hit the $50k now.

The name is Porter 20th Sep 2019 10:08

Bend alot, I'm sure your positive posts are of great comfort to Glen, go hard!

Bend alot 20th Sep 2019 13:59


Originally Posted by The name is Porter (Post 10574385)
Bend alot, I'm sure your positive posts are of great comfort to Glen, go hard!

I am committed to regular donations, so the target will be meet.

Yes I wish Glen comfort, if that is from me - great.

Sunfish 20th Sep 2019 22:05

Blueyonda:

An e-petition would be the way to go. I reckon the most important thing this petition could do is let the parliament realise the level of discontent within the GA community. Who is going to be the leader in understanding the rules to petitions and setting this up?
”The level of discontent within the GA community” respectfully BOLLOCKS!!

The only thing that will “fix” aviation regulation is an electoral threat to bums on seats in Parliament!!! Nothing else!!

Has it completely escaped all your fine pilot minds that ScoMo just gave Pauline Hanson her very own Parliamentary inquiry to secure her ONE vote??? THAT is a perfect example of the only sort of motivation that is capable of fixing aviation regulation!!

Rant mode off. Ferchrissake get behind Glen and / or perhaps AOPA and find that ONE member of parliament who can be coaxed or frightened into standing up for you!

Bend alot 21st Sep 2019 03:41

Someone likes round numbers!

$40,000.

iron_jayeh 21st Sep 2019 04:10

Ok this thread is over 400 replies long. Is there an easy way to come up to speed?

Bend alot 21st Sep 2019 08:08

$41,300 in around 4 hours.

LeadSled 21st Sep 2019 10:08


Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10574846)
Blueyonda:

”The level of discontent within the GA community” respectfully BOLLOCKS!!

The only thing that will “fix” aviation regulation is an electoral threat to bums on seats in Parliament!!! Nothing else!!

Has it completely escaped all your fine pilot minds that ScoMo just gave Pauline Hanson her very own Parliamentary inquiry to secure her ONE vote??? THAT is a perfect example of the only sort of motivation that is capable of fixing aviation regulation!!

Rant mode off. Ferchrissake get behind Glen and / or perhaps AOPA and find that ONE member of parliament who can be coaxed or frightened into standing up for you!

Folks,
The voice of realism and experience!!
Tootle pip!!


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