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Folks
I have just spoken with Glen in the last 10 minutes and have arranged a coffee with he and his Dad Thursday morning. Glen is humbled and buoyed at the level of support on this site from all those that know him and also those he has never met!! Glen says he is "energised", certainly not depressed and ready to challenge CASA's immoral and unethical treatment of APTA, he and his family, his work colleagues and business associates. So let's help Glen show that CASA cannot be allowed bully and ride rough-shot over over aviation's small businesses by supporting him financially. The GoFundMe site was started by Cale, one of Glen's former employees, to raise funds to commence a legal action against CASA; so if you feel like supporting Glen, any donation will help, whether it's the $ equivalent of the cost of a cup of coffee for a day, a week, a month or a year it will all help!! [unfortunately my previous post on this topic seemed to get lost in the ether] |
I just donated a worthy amount, AND I FEEL GREAT ABOUT DOING IT!
And I've never met him. What has been done to him is disgusting, actually, IT'S UN-AUSTRALIAN. |
I have known Glenn since he first set foot upon Moorabbin Airport. If my aging memory serves me correct Glenn has a beautiful Japanese wife whom he met when Glenn was an English language teacher in Japan. I hope I got all correct, it's been a while.
We all will have noticed Glenn's superb command of the English language in every single one of his posts. So ……. Dick Smith got the 'top job' at CASA many years ago on a platform of a myriad of issues. Time to promote the idea that Glenn Buckley, should be put forth as a potential future leader of CASA. Glenn has more experience than Carmody in all matters of aviation with sufficient wisdom to write letters with the expression and intent that sender and receiver would have respect for each other. Give the matter thought, the timing is perfect; IT's TIME !!! |
I hope Glen has the energy to continue to fight the good fight, and receives adequate financial support to do so. But be aware that it’s been fought many, many times before at a much higher level than a single ‘troublemaker’ like Glen, and he’ll pay a heavy price even if he ‘wins’. The Aviation Safety Regulatory Review was ‘crowd funded’ - by the taxpayer. Outcome? Everything’s fixed. The review of medical certification was ‘crowd funded’ - by the taxpayer. Outcome? Everything’s fixed. These are just a couple of recent examples out of many. Ask the CVDPA how much stress and costs a few members incurred and continue to incur fighting CASA Avmed, and how little financial support CVDPA got even from colour vision deficient pilots and aspiring pilots, much less the broader pilot population. And this is in a situation in which Avmed’s position has been shown to be based on superstition and in breach of the law about tests requiring the simulation of an operational situation, rather than an objective assessment of the evidence. I hope I’m wrong, but I reckon the donations to Glen’s cause won’t make it to anywhere near $50K. (I will donate, as I have to the CVDPA). |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10555176)
I hope Glen has the energy to continue to fight the good fight, and receives adequate financial support to do so. But be aware that it’s been fought many, many times before at a much higher level than a single ‘troublemaker’ like Glen, and he’ll pay a heavy price even if he ‘wins’. The Aviation Safety Regulatory Review was ‘crowd funded’ - by the taxpayer. Outcome? Everything’s fixed. The review of medical certification was ‘crowd funded’ - by the taxpayer. Outcome? Everything’s fixed. These are just a couple of recent examples out of many. Ask the CVDPA how much stress and costs a few members incurred and continue to incur fighting CASA Avmed, and how little financial support CVDPA got even from colour vision deficient pilots and aspiring pilots, much less the broader pilot population. And this is in a situation in which Avmed’s position has been shown to be based on superstition and in breach of the law about tests requiring the simulation of an operational situation, rather than an objective assessment of the evidence. I hope I’m wrong, but I reckon the donations to Glen’s cause won’t make it to anywhere near $50K. (I will donate, as I have to the CVDPA). Your examples are the same that the politicians use when they get granted 'large' pay rises - they were independently determined (by people we pay very well). |
Crowd funding is voluntary.
Taxation is not. |
Crowd funding is voluntary and taxation is not? Gosh, I’ll have to write that down. Both of you have missed my point. |
Write it down, it's got a lifetime guarantee.
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It's up to more than 10% of the goal now, which is great to see.
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And this is why CASA is the way it is. Arguing about tax implications for donations. It’s the Australian way. We sweat so much about the minuscule small stuff. There will be a committee appointed to work out tax implications for go fund me donations. A team of experts and consultants. Gender neutral mission statements. (The mission statement launch will be an event in itself, dinners and drinks). Geoffrey Thomas will get some air time. A 50/50 gender split for the committee. Although you don’t really know what you’re getting these days with fluidity. It can change in an instant Q and A will debate it. Yasmin will have an opinion about it. I mean there will even be a committee appointed for the committee. That’ll be the inclusiveness committee. Which of course will need a committee appointed to work out who’s on that committee as well. The end result will be inconclusive because the funding just wasn’t there to get a reasonable result. Then of course it will become a parliamentary issue because of a lack of funding by the conservatives for gender inclusion in government departments. I mean really. Give the man some dosh and give the ATO the bird (who are more rotten than casa). Or just don’t declare it. |
Errrm, so far as I can tell we weren’t arguing about the tax implications of donations. |
Blueskymine,
Well done Sir, Sir Humphrey would have been proud of you. Parliamentary Yuk speak at it's best. sadly you are correct ! The only thing you left out was the Junket abroad to see how other institutions handle the same problems. |
I try and look on the bright side: think of all the investment growth and jobs that could flow from a reinvigorated GA business sector. I drive past my local airstrip and on a sunny day, with a snow covered Mt. Buller in the background, think “if this was the U. S. or New Zealand, there would be scenic flights just buzzing, both rotary and fixed wing today” Then in summer we would have shuttles to the high plains for bushwalkers and deer hunters, plus scenic, plus winery tours, and that’s just a start. Moorabbin is 45 minutes away by C172 or three hours by road. Why not an air taxi service? I once tried to organize a helicopter tour for Two overseas couples - pickup, winery and lunch at Chrismont in the King Valley and maybe Milawa on the way back - was all too hard. I believe you can do it in the yarra valley, but who wants to risk setting up when you can get “Buckleyed” out of business by CASA on a whim? |
Glen is back!
I had the opportunity to meet with Glen today. He seem to pumped up and ready to take this fight to the end. He was energised by all the support that he’s been receiving from his family and friends. Pls spread the word about the crowd funding for Glen. He said he intends to use those funds for his legal fight against CASA
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Dick Smith where are you????? Why are you not matching dollar for dollar raised? All talk no action. You call for CASA change constantly... here is an opportunity for the battler to take on Goliath! I only wish I could donate more to the cause! The more I think about what the evil empire did to me back when mythos was creating beer makes my blood boil... If only I had the smarts and balls like Glen back then. How many license holders and AOC holders in Oz? Say $10 from every license holder, $1000 from every AOC holder what does that come to? (Yes I am far to lazy to ask Siri)....... |
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10555858)
Dick Smith where are you????? Why are you not matching dollar for dollar raised? All talk no action. You call for CASA change constantly... here is an opportunity for the battler to take on Goliath! I only wish I could donate more to the cause! The more I think about what the evil empire did to me back when mythos was creating beer makes my blood boil... If only I had the smarts and balls like Glen back then. How many license holders and AOC holders in Oz? Say $10 from every license holder, $1000 from every AOC holder what does that come to? (Yes I am far to lazy to ask Siri)....... Getting Glens story and the required funding for the legal battle, should Glen still wish to proceed (he still has a family that is a very high priority). Is more important than an individual or just some sectors of aviation getting involved - it will take planning and a strategy to move forward to a battle with CAsA. A well drafted letter to all aviation sectors could be a good start and some suggestions could be to airport fuel suppliers X per litre for X period, charter companies X per charter hour, scenic ops X per seat sold, Maintenance X per Hr charged, airports x per landing/parking and similar. If the X is small but repetitive, the end result will be large. |
AOPA has information on their website & social media channels regarding this issue also:
https://aopa.com.au/david-versus-gol...y-versus-casa/ |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
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Whoever “Cup O’coffee” is, they just donated $2,275. You Sir/Ma’am have my deepest thanks. You too Andy Mac! Whoever you are...... ;) |
It seems that any time a general aviation organisation gets to a size, or reaches a certain level of competence or public profile, CASA decides its a threat and kills it. There is nothing worse for a manager and I guess regulator, to lose control of the agenda because your underlings seem smarter or more capable or more successful than you. APTA would, I suspect, know more about running a flight school under the new part ??? regime than any individual at CASA, having lived through the transition process. I suspect that that FACT was seen as a threat by CASA management. Similarly Angel Flight (public profile) and perhaps schutts, civil flying school, polair (?) and others even like the humble folk who want to band together for a milk run. If you are seen as a threat you’re gone. Readers might like to suggest their own examples. Assuming what i’ve suggested is true, GA businesses might like to consider donating against the day that CASA decides it doesn’t like you any more. |
Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10555967)
It seems that any time a general aviation organisation gets to a size, or reaches a certain level of competence or public profile, CASA decides its a threat and kills it. There is nothing worse for a manager and I guess regulator, to lose control of the agenda because your underlings seem smarter or more capable or more successful than you. APTA would, I suspect, know more about running a flight school under the new part ??? regime than any individual at CASA, having lived through the transition process. I suspect that that FACT was seen as a threat by CASA management. Similarly Angel Flight (public profile) and perhaps schutts, civil flying school, polair (?) and others even like the humble folk who want to band together for a milk run. If you are seen as a threat you’re gone. Readers might like to suggest their own examples. Assuming what i’ve suggested is true, GA businesses might like to consider donating against the day that CASA decides it doesn’t like you any more. |
In two days we have passed the $10,000 mark, the amount a week Glen was losing after CAsA'S card.
Glen will know exactly how much each $10,000 will mean - every week he had to decide where that money would go. Till he had no-more. I want Glen to think long and hard if it is best to proceed or give up and start again, either way he has my support both in spirit and money. Glen do not do it just for us (we want it) but only if you have full support of your family, you will need them (more than us). Take as much time as you need. |
Hi all, Im back after a couple of days off air.
At the insistence of my wife, a visit to the doctor, which I am pleased to say confirms that I am stressed and anxious, but no hint of depression. I very much appreciate the sentiments and support, but be assured there is nothing to be concerned about. Energised and firing on all cylinders. Regarding the Go Fund me page set up by a past employee. Thank you Cale. The support on there is overwhelming. My adult children don’t know all the details, after all it is a complicated matter. It must raise doubts when their Dad is banging heads with the Regulator. The messages of support and encouragement have removed ANY doubt from their mind. As a Dad, it’s a great burden to have lifted. Cheers all. Keep the messages coming. They send a clear message. I appreciate the calls for Dick Smith to get involved. May I respectfully request that I ask Mr Smith to monitor. I believe I have a unique case to be tested i.e. nothing about safety, and nothing about regulatory breaches. It’s a clear demonstration of what happens when people apply opinion which cannot be supported by regulation. It strikes right to the heart of the PMs speech on expectations of the public service, CASAs regulatory philosophy, the Minister Statement of Expectations. It effects the entire industry, and I believe my case provides the perfect test case; I don’t know if I am right, but I think I am. Importantly, it won't be CASA that decides, and that is the purpose of the quest to raise $50,000. If Dick Smith dropped $50,000 on the table, I suggest that would have less impact than 50,000 people dropping $1 each. Every donation is equally uplifting. I know some of the donors, and I know they are digging deep. This is a beautiful struggle and very uplifting. Whilst all the offers of assistance outside of the legal case are appreciated i.e. utilities, school fees etc, I see that very much as my own issue. I am well underway on starting work as a Taxi driver, Uber driver, and a driving instructor. I am seeking support for the legal case only. If we can raise $50,000 that will facilitate a substantive law firm pulling the case apart and presenting their findings back to us on CASA’s unconscionable actions. Then I decide how to proceed. I genuinely believe this first stage to be worthwhile. I previously posted a letter to the PM and I can confirm that has been sent and received, I will shortly be writing to all Senators, and post my correspondence on here. For those of you that have seen me shed a tear (admittedly the first to cry at a “chick flick” if that's PC still), that is not depression. That is actually the most heartfelt appreciation that a human being can have. Its something that hopefully few get to experience. But those that have experienced, will appreciate just how much each gesture means. Cheers all. As a side note regarding Steve's article in Australian Flying, which I encourage you to buy a copy of the magazine; even buy a copy for your non aviator friends!! That is an enormous amount of work he has waded through. Massive file after, massive file, after massive file. I have no doubt, much of it unpaid. It really is an exceptional contribution, for me, and for the wider industry. Lets go get em! |
Go n get ‘em champ! |
I can’t help but feel that the evil empire will be reading this and starting to think... What have we done... What have we started... 50k will be a start for sure but will not end the battle. For GA and aviation to truly win, through the efforts of Glen is going to take a monumental effort. Hats off to you mate, to have the fight left is truly inspirational indeed, the generation of today will learn from this. The great Aussie movie The Castle comes to mind here. |
Just caught up on the news Glen. You’re fighting a good fight mate. This thread and the go fund me shows how many mates are behind you and how many people you have touched and influenced over the years. You have my support and thoughts. Good luck mate. |
I can’t help but feel that the evil empire will be reading this.... |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10556694)
Here’s what happens when you have the kind of fight with CASA that Glen’s contemplating: Polar Aviation Federal Court Case 1: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority (includes Corrigendum dated 27 April 2010) [2010] FCA 367 (16 April 2010) Polar Aviation Federal Court Case 2: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority (No 2) [2010] FCA 404 (29 April 2010) Polar Aviation Federal Court Case 3: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority (No 3) [2010] FCA 514 (26 May 2010) Polar Aviation Federal Court Case 4: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority (No 4) [2011] FCA 1126 (30 September 2011) Polar Aviation Federal Court Case 5: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority (No 5) [2011] FCA 1187 (20 October 2011) Polar Aviation Full Court of the Federal Court: Polar Aviation Pty Ltd v Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2012] FCAFC 97 (4 July 2012) One operator, 6 excursions to the Federal Court. You wouldn’t get much change out of $50K for the costs of just the first. See if you can spot a safety issue in any of it. |
Originally Posted by tail wheel
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CASA personnel are reading this thread, at least up to the last email to me on 7 August.
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Originally Posted by tail wheel
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CASA personnel are reading this thread, at least up to the last email to me on 7 August.
Where else can they go to learn about aviation..? |
GoFundMe has hit $15k, really truly heartwarming.
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Around 2 1/2 days since the first Gofundme donation - currently sitting at $15,433.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/glen-buckley-v-casa What is surprising compared to other Gofundme donations, is the average size of donations given to Glen's fund - many times larger than average. Many people must really love Glen or have something against CAsA. Some both I guess!! |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10556694)
Here’s what happens when you have the kind of fight with CASA that Glen’s contemplating [...] Disclaimer: I don't have enough time to read through those court cases so I cannot appreciate how relevant those are and how they compare with Glen's case. Common sense dictates here that Glen: a. didn't try to bend the rules, b. played the transparency card from the beginning, c. consulted the regulator before taking any action that could result in a fait accompli, d. showed exemplary behaviour (in my opinion). I am the first to find CASA's initial approval and support for APTA's approach surprising. After all, what is to prevent all smaller flight schools from joining APTA and calling themselves Part 142? That is clearly not the intended purpose of the Part 141/Part 142 distinction (whether one agrees with its necessity is obviously a different matter). In a certain sense, I even agree that CASA has a right to take a second look and fix the situation it helped create. But there are certain ways in which parties are expected to behave. A respectful and considerate attitude would have been for CASA to acknowledge the significant changes that its new position would bring about and give APTA and its members ample time to "fall back into the ranks" to avoid any major financial disruption to those involved. Some kind of "Mea culpa, mate, sorry". I think Glen has a compelling case where next to nothing can be held against him and that's why I support him and believe his legal battle is one worth fighting for. His story also illustrates that no operator is immune to the regulator's whims. That's why Glen's battle is every operator's battle. This is Australia mate; everyone here gets a fair go. |
This is Australia, mate everyone here should get a fair go. ! We wish.
Alas with CAsA that is definitely not the case. |
I was telling someone about this thread yesterday and was asked about this. What is the relationship here? https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....658664e8f2.png |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 10555176)
I hope I’m wrong, but I reckon the donations to Glen’s cause won’t make it to anywhere near $50K. (I will donate, as I have to the CVDPA). I think 4 people in CAsA are spending a lot of time on the phone and not sleeping very well. |
donations
Just added to the donations.
There are a number of MP's who fly. Gordon Rich-Phillips is a Victorian state member from coalition who is a pilot. John Wacka Williams is an RV pilot, who has retired from the senate might like to get back at CASA. I think the bloke Brad Buzzard?? from NSW state libs is a pilot. There may be others. We need a champion in the Fedral Parliament to take on the conniving lying parasites at CASA . Mick |
John Wacka Williams is an RV pilot David Forsyth is an ex fighter pilot I believe? |
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