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josephfeatherweight 1st Apr 2019 11:16


Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA (Post 10435358)
The G550 is an entirely different purpose specific platform, which will not share crew or facilities. The idea that somehow it would be a level of commonality is a myth.

Junior, I reckon the sharing of crew could occur with a bit of planning and forethought - and would benefit all.
The training facilities (simulator) could definitely be shared, again with planning and forethought.
Parts/maintenance sharing would potentially be problematic as I understand the Surveillance aircraft vs VIP aircraft would be on different airworthiness/maintenance regimes - but that could have been resolved/worked around with some effort also.



cattletruck 1st Apr 2019 11:50

Has the location of the aerial refuelling probe been finalised on the W-2085? Knowing how deep IAI go with repurposing existing frames I'm having trouble accepting the W-2085 shares much commonality with the corporate version other than the basics. Considering the high sticker price of this package deal I wouldn't be surprised if they came with a huge number of caveats on the what/when/how that can be done to them including swapping bits with more mortal G550's.

ftrplt 1st Apr 2019 12:00

change of mind

Global Aviator 1st Apr 2019 12:11

Is there a difference in the flight deck between the surveillance mode and standard?

I was told the RSAF guys use a corporate 550 for training.

With that in mind why could one not fly both?

ftrplt 1st Apr 2019 12:19

change of mind

junior.VH-LFA 1st Apr 2019 12:31


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10435604)

Junior, I reckon the sharing of crew could occur with a bit of planning and forethought - and would benefit all.
The training facilities (simulator) could definitely be shared, again with planning and forethought.
Parts/maintenance sharing would potentially be problematic as I understand the Surveillance aircraft vs VIP aircraft would be on different airworthiness/maintenance regimes - but that could have been resolved/worked around with some effort also.



There could be one way crew swaps. The time required to get appropriate security requirements and doctrinal stuff sorted the other way would be problematic at best.

Sim is probably the biggest aspect, to my knowledge neither A/C is getting one.

The thing with this, like everything in defence related acquisition is those that know know and won’t say a word, and those who don’t usually don’t have the information to arrive at the “right” decision.

Either way, it sure does look like a nice jet!

pelosh 2nd Apr 2019 10:49

Could be a little French gift after the purchase of a bunch of submarines....
Just to give a taste and open the door to more falcon sales....
Just a thought.....happened in the past....

josephfeatherweight 2nd Apr 2019 20:38


Originally Posted by pelosh (Post 10436479)
Could be a little French gift after the purchase of a bunch of submarines....
Just to give a taste and open the door to more falcon sales....
Just a thought.....happened in the past....

Actually, you might be on the money there - I did hear the 7Xs (well, the lease anyway...) came pretty cheap.

Vref+5 2nd Apr 2019 23:15

VIP fleet has been leased since the 80’s, an entirely different acquisition program to purchasing a platform outright. Gunnedah, Halls Creek, Hamilton VIC, some of the short strips used by 34. Another advantage of the Falcons are higher MLW vs BOW, means you can carry more fuel, payload into tight strips, especially where there is no Jet A1 available. PCN? If the government wants to come into a regional town to spend cash, do you think the council won’t issue a concession??

A30_737_AEWC 4th Apr 2019 06:05


Originally Posted by chimbu warrior (Post 10434708)
4 x G550's for 2.5 billion; some middleman has seen Australia coming and done nicely out of this.

The 'middleman' as you put it is the US Government FMS program and US contractors behind the design/integration of the capability on behalf of the US Government.

LeadSled 5th Apr 2019 04:27


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10436959)

Actually, you might be on the money there - I did hear the 7Xs (well, the lease anyway...) came pretty cheap.

Folks,
Without "the facts", who knows.
But one thing is certain, from the pilot or engineering point of view, the 7X is an outstanding aircraft, as are its predecessors and Dassault contemporaries.
And the Dassault company is, itself, quite a fascinating story, a living testimony to its founder-- how, with brains and determination, a small independent company can survive and prosper in an era of "Big Government" and nationalisation.
Tootle pip!!

Rudder 7th Apr 2019 05:25

When was the tender to establish best value for money or aircraft suitability?

junior.VH-LFA 7th Apr 2019 08:57


Originally Posted by Rudder (Post 10441231)
When was the tender to establish best value for money or aircraft suitability?

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ntractor-role/

Stop clutching at straws.

TBM-Legend 8th Apr 2019 11:35

Its official: Three Falcon 7X to replace the CL604's third quarter on 2019 to coincide with end of CL604 leases. Good choice.

A30_737_AEWC 9th Apr 2019 07:03

Do we know under what contract the Falcon 7Xs services are being acquired/provided ? Is it under the existing arrangement with NG ? Or is there a new contractor on the block ? Apparently Dassault offered the Falcon 7X to both contractors who were shortlisted for the ongoing/future provision of SPA/VIP aircraft services.

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...aaf-vip-fleet/

What I'm really asking is who was the preferred contractor for the award of this contract:

Replacement Special Purpose Aircraft (SPA) Transport Service - Managing Contractor
https://www.tenders.gov.au/?event=pu...A84007338AE512

MustangRG 10th Apr 2019 11:49

My understanding is the two shortlisted Managing Contractors both backed away from the contract.

Petropavlovsk 2nd Jun 2019 05:00

A56-002
 
The second RAAF Falcon 7X left France yesterday and currently overnight in India. A56-002

patty50 17th Jun 2019 01:39

Is the falcon already up and at work? Saw CNS-SYD REGENT92 then to CBR as REGENT94 this morning.

Thought I read Q3 2019 it would be operational? Seems remarkably quick for a new type.

d_concord 17th Jun 2019 02:53

No tender process for selection of aircraft. No best value for money process for competing aircraft. Just how it works now.

TBM-Legend 17th Jun 2019 03:53


No tender process for selection of aircraft. No best value for money process for competing aircraft. Just how it works now.
Not so. There was a tender which included aircraft and support. The aircraft, like the Challengers and BBJ are leased. Northrop Grumman won...


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