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Sunfish

9th Mar 2019 13:01

So leave it in, unfixed and placarded until you have set up a replacement or instantaneous repair or when you can spare a few weeks for the aircraft to be grounded? What about a transponder going u/s? Don’t you only get 3 days grace?

All this is leading me back to my days in Ansett: “the light only came on after we took off”.

Creampuff

9th Mar 2019 23:35

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Originally Posted by Sunfish (Post 10411461)

So leave it in, unfixed and placarded until you have set up a replacement or instantaneous repair or when you can spare a few weeks for the aircraft to be grounded?

^^^This^^^

I can’t remember flying an aicraft in the last decade or so that didn’t have a couple of ’open’ unserviceabilities in the MR and stuff placarded. As pointed out earlier, if a piece of equipment is not required for the category of flight in which an aicraft is engaged and it’s been placarded and entered unserviceable in the MR, that’s fine. So much depends on whether it’s private or aerial work or charter or RPT and whether there’s an approved MEL etc, etc.

mostlytossas

10th Mar 2019 01:26

Update on our aircraft. Firstly thankyou all those who responded to my inquiry. After finding that the responses were split about 50/50 as to if my LAME was correct or not I decided I would contact CASA direct and spoke to an Airworthiness Inspector.
The result of which was that he was correct. Apparently it is more to do with weight and balance effects than the fact that 1 comm is u/s. The mere fact that the radio probably weighs about 1kg and is pretty well right on the datum line makes no difference. Them is the rules and CASA loves rules. So unless my LAME can source a loan unit we are grounded until ours gets back. However we can ask a CASA delegate for a permit/engineering order to allow us to continue flying while it is out. Depending on the cost of this apposed to the time to getting the repair done will decide which way we go. Our aircraft is only private category so no business pressures there.
So well done to those who said our LAME was correct and to us others who thought he was wrong we have learnt something today. I still think it is regulation gone mad but who cares what I think.
Thanks again
MT

Bend alot

10th Mar 2019 03:39

Thanks for the feed back.

Ask another AWI you will get a different reason why it is grounded, you might even get one that says it not grounded (but I doubt that these years).

What type of com is it?

Bend alot

10th Mar 2019 04:00

Removal of any part of an aircraft is a modification not a repair.

All modifications major and minor require approval.

While a draft, CAAP 35-1(0) explains what needs to be done/considered for approval.

Creampuff

10th Mar 2019 07:21

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Originally Posted by mostlytossas (Post 10411957)

Although I happen to agree with the conclusion, it’s worth reminding everyone that this is merely a manifestation of the normalised deviation that so pervades these kinds of questions.

The fact that CASA may agree with a LAME about the interpetation of a rule does not make that interpretation an objective truth. It may make it so as a matter of practicality, because no one has the time, energy or inclination to argue about it any more, but that’s one of the reasons normalised deviation happens.

Ex FSO GRIFFO

10th Mar 2019 09:01

Re - 'Apparently it is more to do with weight and balance effects'...…

BUT - "However we can ask a CASA delegate for a permit/engineering order to allow us to continue flying while it is out. "

WOT...??
And risk either burying the aircraft nose in to the ground, or falling backwards like a falling leaf...….C of G is "OUT" you know...…

But just pay us (permit / engineering order...) and all will be well...… BUT the C of G will STILL be "out"...….

And, If you believe 'that', you will believe anything..!!!

No Cheers....NOPE....None at all...……….

machtuk

10th Mar 2019 11:01

:bored:

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Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO (Post 10412075)

i like that Griffo :)
Can't imagine how many A/C out there out of sight out of mind that are flying around with pieces of Equip missing and oddly enough they aren't falling out of the sky?
Common sense & Aviation should never be used in the same sentence, you'll need an EO to have those two words anywhere near each other!

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