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mullokintyre 28th Dec 2018 21:05

CASA says air taxis within 5 years
 

CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said he had seen proposals for low-altitude air taxi services that would fly people between locations such as an airport and the central business district of a large city and believed the companies behind the proposals were serious about them.

"There are companies, and I'm talking about big multinational companies, investing big dollars," Mr Gibson said.

"We are talking about hundreds of millions, if not billions."

Uber Air taxis to launch in US


The comments follow the announcement this year that Uber was considering including Melbourne or Sydney among the launch cities for its Elevate project.

The project involves an electric aircraft able to take people between specific points within a city.

The service was already slated to fly in Dallas and Los Angeles in the United States and the company is considering nine cities, including Sydney and Melbourne, outside the US to trial the project in.

Mr Gibson said Uber had already approached CASA to discuss regulatory issues around the use of air taxis, and he said there were few barriers to what the company was proposing because the regulatory framework to allow it was already there.
From the ABC NEWS

Never get off the ground.
CASA will put so many regulatory hurdles in place it will uneconomic except for the UBER rich. In which case they will just take a chopper.

Mick

thunderbird five 28th Dec 2018 21:25

But Mick, you have it all wrong, surely?
Mr Gibson said Uber was not the only company looking to Australia because of its easier regulatory environment.
Google's parent company, Alphabet, was preparing to trial drones that made home deliveries in Canberra ahead of trials in the US, partly because he Australian system was more flexible.

Does he actually believe his own BS? Easier regulatory environment than USA? Get off the christmas sauce man.

Sunfish 28th Dec 2018 22:20

CASA senses that big $$$$ can be extracted from Uber, lots more staff and management positions created too. That is their motivation.

To put it another way, since when has CASA done anything to promote the growth of any aviation related business in Australia???? They seem far more interested in destroying what little is left.

Horatio Leafblower 28th Dec 2018 22:25


"There are companies, and I'm talking about big multinational companies, investing big dollars," Mr Gibson said.
Just as well they're big companies investing billions of dollars because god knows small business can't afford CASA's regulatory structures.

Ascend Charlie 29th Dec 2018 00:54


Mr Gibson said Uber had already approached CASA to discuss regulatory issues around the use of air taxis, and he said there were few barriers to what the company was proposing because the regulatory framework to allow it was already there.
There might be a few barriers, but those that ARE there are f***ing monsters. Never happen. The Labor electorates killed any real helicopters from landing within a bull's roar of anywhere. Electric choppers won't fare any better.

neville_nobody 29th Dec 2018 01:17

It will be interesting to watch how companies that are stanchly anti-regulator as a principle deal with CASA. Personally I reckon given the size of the companies involved CASA are going to be told what to do rather than the other way round. There will be many coventional AOC holders left scratching their heads looking at the regulations wondering what just happened.

aroa 29th Dec 2018 08:39

Poor Mr Gobsome, havent seen much of him in late 2018 but he seems keen to be a TV media tart over the Xmas period spruiking on a couple of issues.
One thing you can be sure of from the 'Corporate Spinmeister' some of it is 'fake news' ie BS.

machtuk 29th Dec 2018 09:23

This will really be worth following, reckon it will be a clusterTruck and "if" they ever get off the ground the first multiple deaths by drone failure will attract a LOT of attention, the whole lot will come tumbling down, so to speak! There's just so many things that can go wrong here, weather being one of them!
still am up for intense reading of opinions both sides:)

cattletruck 29th Dec 2018 09:49

Honestly, I think CASA are wasting their time and should instead be drafting legislation for the new up and coming teleporter machine.

Who can remember all that gyrocopter spin about city/airport taxis back in the 90's? I still have a brochure about it and marvel at the clever marketing used.

If there was any real merit to these fickle "air-taxi" contraptions then the military would already have a sizeable share of it but they don't, instead it's just these multi-billion dollar corporations getting sucked into believing their own B.S. vortex and taking gullible executives and media with them for the ride. The end result being a lot of foolish people part with their money as that 90's fairytale repeats itself over and over again.

navajoe 29th Dec 2018 22:20

You guys may have this all wrong, Whether their proposals work remains to be seen, if someone with enough clout comes in and bashes CASA over the head a few times maybe something might just change.

Squawk7700 29th Dec 2018 22:47

As someone has said above, it’s simply about cost and regulation. The technology is there and assuming it’s reliable and priced appropriately, it will surely take off, pardon the pun.

Melbourne CBD for example to a pad at Tulla, absolutely, why not, every 10 minutes or whatever?

There was a mob trying it a while back with a couple of flash Bell’s but from memory it was a little pricey and didn’t go right to the airport.

LeadSled 30th Dec 2018 05:03


Originally Posted by cattletruck (Post 10346497)
Honestly, I think CASA are wasting their time and should instead be drafting legislation for the new up and coming teleporter machine.
.

Folks,
There is a precedent, those of you who have been around long enough, think back to the ANOs ---- there was a reserve section for pilot licensing for ornithopters. Flapping wing aeroplane, for those of you not up with the latest technology.
As for CASA and Gibson, it is the Silly Season, after all!!
Tootle pip!!

George Glass 30th Dec 2018 05:11

Anybody got Mr. Gibson's contact details?
I've got a bridge in Sydney he might be interested in.

Pinky the pilot 30th Dec 2018 08:32


Anybody got Mr. Gibson's contact details?
I've got a bridge in Sydney he might be interested in.
Hang on George;:= I have an Opera House for sale that I'm sure he'd consider first!!:hmm:

27/09 30th Dec 2018 09:10

Funny thing, I had someone from CAANZ telling me this sort of thing was going to happen in the near future. There are a couple of companies already trialling these machines in New Zealand. I told him it wouldn't be in either of our life times.

I don't see these machines being much cheaper if any to buy and operate than a helicopter of similar load carrying capacity. If there was a business case for this there'd be a number of businesses already doing something very similar using helicopters. There isn't, so I don't see these Air Taxis as the next big thing.

Further I don't see the general population being all that enthusiastic about all these thing whizzing around overhead, they won't exactly be quiet.

Andy_RR 30th Dec 2018 10:31

I think it's instructional to compare the popularity of conventional model helicopters - available but experience to operate, difficult to maintain and requiring lots of skill and practice to pilot - with the current quadcopter craze to illustrate why conventional helicopters as air taxis are not a great business analog. That is leaving aside the required 100kg meat-based flight controller that diminishes payload capacity.

601 30th Dec 2018 11:48

They will try to do what they did with share-riding.
Come in and start flying, stuff the Regs, get the Millennial crowd on board and cry "anti-startup" on social media when they get grounded

davionics 30th Dec 2018 14:38

It’s going to happen, it’s only a matter of time, and also a lot of work. Weekly sat in traffic for many hours just to drive a few kilometers (like hundreds of thousands of other fellow commuters)... but you know that feeling when you lift off and fly over the traffic and see the mazes of red lights below. If these companies follow through with their Billions, it’s not an if, it’s just a matter of when. No new technology pushing the envelope has ever been immune from risk, If adequate processes and technologies are in place to manage them - it will be revolutionary.

BluSdUp 30th Dec 2018 16:40

The Future is here!,,,,, Soon,,, Maybe! Or later!
 
Flying cars, all the rage in the 50s,
Anyway
A direct link to the airport in a modern way, SAS did a 89 pax Hovercraft from from Malmø to Købenahavn CPH airport.
All the rage from 1984 to 1994!
Then replaced by Norwegian speedboats made on my island ( Oma Baatbyggeri As).
Then a wopping big bridge/ tunnel that we all can admire when operating to CPH.
Now a train leaves Malmø several times per hr and use 20 odd minutes to CPH terminal!
Yea
That old bridge is doomed once the UberDoober Air gets going.
Standing by for multiple TAs on approach.
Or not!

machtuk 30th Dec 2018 18:50


Originally Posted by BluSdUp (Post 10347438)
Flying cars, all the rage in the 50s,
Anyway
A direct link to the airport in a modern way, SAS did a 89 pax Hovercraft from from Malmø to Købenahavn CPH airport.
All the rage from 1984 to 1994!
Then replaced by Norwegian speedboats made on my island ( Oma Baatbyggeri As).
Then a wopping big bridge/ tunnel that we all can admire when operating to CPH.
Now a train leaves Malmø several times per hr and use 20 odd minutes to CPH terminal!
Yea
That old bridge is doomed once the UberDoober Air gets going.
Standing by for multiple TAs on approach.
Or not!

spot on....this will never happen commercially in our lifetime, still will enjoy the debacle that will ensue along the way -:)


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