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Fantome 13th Dec 2018 15:40


I have read, most of your posts Clare, when ever you have responded, to various topics, you are always level headed and people take notice, of your comments.

I knew quite well, someone, will pull me up, sooner or later, because, I have left my comments open for interpretation.

To be honest with everyone, i was so upset to hear and read, about the accident, that i really, had to ask the question, what happened?
Hate to say it, but the tone here is parsonical, presumptuous, patronising, platitudinous, naive and hence prone to being picked to pieces, assuming a readiness to enter the lists, so to speak, there to engage in yet another "war of words". How terribly tiresome. As my father used to say to his youngest, know-all son , me, "Can't you hear yourself Boyo?."

flickit 13th Dec 2018 20:35

I notice they have another older Islander on the run to Melaleuca today, VH-RTP, 1969 ...

desert goat 13th Dec 2018 20:58

I do not know what caused this accident, and I think it is fair to say that nobody else on this electronic peanut gallery does either. Even if they did once have a scary training flight in a tonka toy twin over relatively benign terrain with an experienced pilot there to hold their hand.

I can say three things with a fair degree of confidence though;

1) The terrain and weather conditions in the south west of Tasmania demand respect, regardless of whether the pilot has 300 hours, or 30,000.

2) Unless things have changed dramatically since I was there last, I highly doubt that this particular company would let a CPL candidate through, or put a new pilot on the line, without making damn sure they had a decent amount of exposure to the terrain and weather conditions that are an everyday fact of life down there.

3) The pilot's gender had stuff all to do with it.

Those who knew or worked with the pilot concerned, or who were working or flying down there at the time, may know a bit more. But as far as I can see, pretty much everything else offered in this thread is just another load of verbal diarrhea.

As for the previous poster who asked if the pilot involved in the previous crash (PFT) had the correct low-level training- According to the ATSB report, yes he did. But based on my own experience-if you decide to screw around while in the low-level environment, then all the training in the world will not save you.

pithblot 13th Dec 2018 23:02


Well said desert goat.

megan 14th Dec 2018 01:25

Anyone know where to access a copy of the relevant area forecast? Searched BOM with no luck.

Eddie Dean 14th Dec 2018 04:44


Originally Posted by desert goat (Post 10335145)
............................................................ ........3) The pilot's gender had stuff all to do with it........

How do you know this?????

Toruk Macto 14th Dec 2018 05:10

Keep thinking about this, young pilot ( this instance female ) following her dreams . Taking on some of the most challenging terrain and weather in Australia . We all had holy **** moments , especially in early days with old aircraft . Nothing but respect . RIP .


machtuk 14th Dec 2018 05:42

I'm almost embarrassed to be known as a pilot when I read some of the shameful stuff purported here! I guess human nature comes out the worst in such sad events:-(

Mach E Avelli 14th Dec 2018 05:49

The most effective way to deal with a troll is to ignore IT (because trolls are neither male nor female).

Fantome 14th Dec 2018 22:14

What is particularly annoying is the preponderance of people obsessed by the sound of their own voices and what they believe is their freedom to broadcast an opinion on any subject they think they have the right to so do, knowing not, caring not, a jot about their ignorance, gormlessness or blind self-promotion.

"Measure not with words the measureless,
Sink not the string of thought into the fathomless.
Who asks does err.
Who answers errs.
Say nought."

Anon.

Eddie Dean 15th Dec 2018 01:01


Originally Posted by Horatio Leafblower (Post 10335341)
Well said.


Eddie Dean What possible relevant physiological difference is present in one half of the population not the other? Please enlighten me so I can stop my daughter's flying lessons.

Well it was tongue in cheek, but I was warned some time ago not to use satire on Australians as they just won't get it. But seeing how you asked, surely you must see the physiological differences between males/females/insert your non cis gender of choice.

Clare Prop 15th Dec 2018 01:13


Originally Posted by Eddie Dean (Post 10336002)
Well it was tongue in cheek, but I was warned some time ago not to use satire on Australians as they just won't get it. But seeing how you asked, surely you must see the physiological differences between males/females/insert your non cis gender of choice.

Satire: the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices.

How is anything about this accident humourous? It is a tragedy for the pilot and her family, friends and workmates. It would have been just as much of a tragedy if the pilot had had a different anatomy. That is called equality.

What's next, it happened because the sky wasn't pink?

megan 15th Dec 2018 01:16

Fantome, agree with you, but I have thought of a few posters, precious darlings that they be, who I could send one of these.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....81d046d5df.jpg

Just to get back on track, Area forecast anyone?

zanzibar 15th Dec 2018 02:33


Eddie Dean What possible relevant physiological difference is present in one half of the population not the other?

Eddie Dean ..............surely you must see the physiological differences between males/females .............
I'm sure Leafblower can tell the difference, but his question was "what possible RELEVANT physiological difference .................?".

Horatio Leafblower 15th Dec 2018 03:15


Just to get back on track, Area forecast anyone?
I have seen the GAF in question. It's very interesting.
#BOMfundingcuts #chickens #roost #hashtagsdontworkonpprune

Clare Prop 15th Dec 2018 04:55

I'm not one to be "butthurt" but I do think the use of "humour" on this thread is lacking in taste

Fantome 15th Dec 2018 09:43

Collins English Dictionary -


Satire is the use of humour or exaggeration in order to show how foolish or wicked some people's behaviour or ideas are.
So by this definition, which may well be the more usual interpretation than those that allude to ridiculing or criticising, satire may be taken in the sense of a touch of the gentle rapier barb. Satire as employed by the late John Clarke and by Clive James, both over many years of writing and public utterances, was never malicious. Clarke and James have both been great exemplars of good manners. Which of course does not mean, when resorting to satire, that the subject of that satire does not warrant a good sledging. ("It's not so much what you say, as how you say it.")

TWT 15th Dec 2018 10:31

One of the most disrespectful threads I've come across on PPRuNe.

601 16th Dec 2018 08:55


Clarke and James have both been great exemplars of good manners.
Unlike some that are now getting some of my 8c/day.


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