Airborne Aviation at Camden
Passed through Camden a few days ago and was advised they are no longer in the game. So what happened? |
Originally Posted by OhSpareMe
(Post 10175461)
Passed through Camden a few days ago and was advised they are no longer in the game. So what happened? I am told quite a few people owed money, i hope nobody paid for flying in advance. Tootle pip!! |
The planes and Peter have gone to Altocap, not sure where most of the other instructors have gone.
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Originally Posted by LeadSled
(Post 10175652)
I am told quite a few people owed money, i hope nobody paid for flying in advance.
ever introduced an Escrow system, so that if the flying school goes balls up, you get the balance of your money back in your hand ? |
Because the discount that they would be offering is because they hold the money. If it's sitting in Escrow, then the third party sits on the interest, so no discount from the provider. The student may as well be PAYG and there's nothing to say the escrow mob won't do a dodgy either, plus they will charge fees. Everyone wants their piece of the pie! |
Is there such a thing as registered / approved Escrow people ?
If so, they would make available their terms & conditions including their rates etc. I was just thinking it could mitigate any anguish if someone goes broke. But you're right in that PAYG is safer. Even if you took out a loan and put it in an account and linked it to a debit card. Then the bank is charging you interest on the loan,- and using your money on the short term money market too.:) |
I realise that the Australian banking system has become pretty dodgy, in recent years. So what's happened to trust accounts that could once protect mug punters?
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You could draw down on a loan as required and keep the interest low. There are ways and means.. |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10182493)
You could draw down on a loan as required and keep the interest low. There are ways and means.. |
Yes it is. Depends on your generation as to what you might call it.
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I flew with Airborne Aviation.
I paid on the day. The last time I flew with them, I noted people seemed despondent. I spoke with Peter after AA was gone. He said that an increase in fixed costs had exceeded the ability of AA to continue to trade. (Or words to that effect.) They had been there a long time. They had a run of bad maintenance luck (Wheels damaged on runway lights, etc) which had a number of aircraft offline. Flying schools have a lot of capital tied up, and I think the margins could be quite thin. I believe the AA owned aircraft have been sold. I am sorry they went. :'-( OzFerret |
Does anyone know what happened to all the assets of Airborne Aviation?
They had my Pilots Log Book, and I am trying to find how to get it back. Maybe there's some receivers or such legal firm involved? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
Never leave YOUR logbook with any flying school.It is your record of flying and should be stamped as a correct record and kept in your possession.
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Quite right; it is not a legal requirement to leave your Log Book at the flying school, notwithstanding what the school may tell you.
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That's all well and good in hindsight.
But when you arrive for your first lesson, a logbook is probably the last thing on your mind. The flying school sells you one and says they'll look after it until you learn how to fill it in. Sounds like a plan. So it stays with the school. For our poster David looking for his logbook, perhaps Altocap maybe worth calling. |
Yeah, I realise my stupidity and misplaced faith in hindsight -- they has a whole bookcase full of logbooks, so it seemed at the time to be the "normal" thing to do.
I visited Altocap a couple months ago and left my details in case they knew anything, but have not heard back. The guy I spoke to there also mentioned that Airborne Aviation was in receivership, but he did not know the legal firm to contact. He also seemed to think that Peter's widow might know something about that, but I don't know how to contact her. Thanks to mates_rates, LexAir, and Capt_Fathom - you are all correct - it was a dumb thing to do, but I cannot believe that the logbooks have been trashed. It is just surprising that I have not heard anything by mail, by phone, or by email (all of which were in the logbook) My daughter is in the same boat. We took lessons at the same time, although I had a decade or more records in mine. |
It's often easier to keep the logbook at the school so that it is filled in at the end of each lesson rather than the student leaving it at home and then work to do to fill it all in approaching flight test. Also if CASA do an audit they need to see them. There is nothing sinister about it, the student can collect it at any time.
It IS your property so no liquidators should be throwing them out. The name and address should be in each one so they can return it to the owner. Not unusual to hear of them going into skips along with student files though. |
Thanks for making me feel less stupid for leaving the logbook on site.
At the same time, the idea of log books being sent to land fill makes me feel sick. Does anyone have a hint how I would find who the liquidators are for Airborne Aviation? |
Not unusual to hear of them going into skips along with student files though. |
Originally Posted by tossbag
(Post 11232701)
I reckon if I saw anyone throwing logbooks in a skip I'd kick them in the balls.
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11232638)
Also if CASA do an audit they need to see them.
I use it as a marketing gimmick to new students now: "don't trust a school that wants to keep your logbook, there's probably a reason they need that student lock in". It's sometimes the little things that set you apart... |
Originally Posted by David Searson
(Post 11232672)
Does anyone have a hint how I would find who the liquidators are for Airborne Aviation?
Liquidators details: - wont let me post a URL so you can find it on "ASIC Published notices" Deed Administrator Address Amos Insolvency Locked Bag 5007 NARELLAN NSW 2567 Contact person Contact number 02 4626 8522 Facsimile 02 4627 2146 |
@kbca -- Thanks so much for this information, and for the advice.
I will see what I can find from the liquidators, and follow up on the stat dec publishednotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices?appointment=All&companynameoracn=Airborne%20Aviation ¬icestate=All&archvd=0 |
How did you go with the logbood David?
I'm curious to see if the administrators held these or turfed them... |
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