About 23 years and flights have ranged from 12 minutes to 8 hours. I don't doubt that I have different experience to yours though I'm not sure how length of flight is relevant.

Go ahead then, tell me how you spend most of your time flying single piston engined machines filled with ferry tanks and hand pumps across the Pacific.

P.S. 3m, but only with an updraft ;)

mattyj, agreed on the Pan call. I think the key point really is that you tell someone something so you don't get vectored around the place until you run out of fuel.

Well, one thing I can assure you of is that it is the policy listed in the approved ops manual of most airlines that landing with less than FR is a mandatory "mayday".

Lead Balloon, my judgement of you is based on what you write. That is all I know of you. I don't even know if you are talking about a C152 or a B52.

And on a lighter note a lovely story I heard a few years ago.

An older very high hour bush pilot cut his fuel a bit fine in his little Cessna one day heading to a private country strip out in the wheat belt, the little Cessna coughed sputted and stopped and moments later rumbled to a stop in a wheat paddock.

The old fella wasn't much keen on walking the last few km back to the strip and as many a country person would know there is usually a bit left in the tank it just needs some encouragement, so he rocked the plane while sitting in it and noted the gauges gave a slight hint of movement. Movement means there's hope and he figured if he kept rocking it a bit he might get enough to where it will count. Turns out he was on the money as when he turned the key it fired up, so without wasting a moment he fire walled it and got airborne, it was good while it lasted but just didn't last long and stopped again before he got to 100'.

It did however get him into the next paddock and some 800m closer to where he was going. Not yet ready to admit defeat he repeated the rocking trick and again got airborne but again only to about 100' before it coughed and stopped, still he was now another 800 odd metres closer to the strip. After 3 goes and 3 paddocks he made it to the strip.

You're never beaten till you give up.

Upon closer reading of the rule, it appears that in most cases you would be playing with fire even if you came close to running your tanks down to the new requirements.

We would be used to using something like a 45 minute reserve at the cruise burn rate (45 litres in a C206 as an example).

Now (for day VFR at least), they are requiring 30 minutes at "holding burn rate" (something like 25 litres in a C206). Not sure I would be too comfortable letting my tanks get down to those figures in any case (even with modern guages and fuel totalizer).

CASA's supposed intention was to make things safer, but if everyone starts using this 30 minute holding rate rather than 45 minute cruise rate, then CASA might be disappointed to find the outcome of their 'new safety requirement' is more fuel exhaustion incidents/accidents.

Facetious question, how do you land? :p

By flying on to the ground ;).

Where's the Ignore button again?

SWH you are wasting your time. It's best just to sit back and watch. I wonder how the rest of the world can make this work easily but some of these hotshots can't?

Are you sure that is fixed final reserve, FFR??
Because that flies in the face of the whole reason for a FFR ---- to try and ensure the engine(s) are still running at touchdown.
Tootle pip!!

Bloggs, agree,post #71 is a case in point.And it seems most achieve that aim, rather than On Eyre's "into the ground". From ED's link 89 events no injuries, 19 minor injuries, 12 serious injuries, 19 fatal (49 lives lost).

Nah Megan, Cat's alright, he was being facetious wink wink. I was referring to a couple of posts further back than that. :}

Folks,
Having given the above a little more thought, having 15 minutes in one tank feeding one engine is the same as 30 minutes feeding two, the original concept for FFR remains.
A good example of the desirability of thinking a little more before attacking the keyboard.
Vital Actions Checklist; (1) Brain ---- ON.
Tootle pip!!

The 15 mins applies to depress now as well LeadSled.

I must go and have a look at the Annex, maybe the intent of concept of FFR has been lost?
Tootle pip!!

Where do you stand LS on the idea that some have that the FFR is there to be used? What did you teach?

You can use it .You just need to make a mayday call first .