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Fuel Notam
Good morning Please be advised that due to unforeseen circumstance AvGas will be temporarily unavailable at Gladstone Airport for approximately two (2) weeks. If you have any queries please contact Airport Refuelling Services on 07 4978 2201. Gladstone Airport Corporation and Airport Refuelling Services apologise for any inconvenience caused. Regards Bobbi Evans Compliance Coordinator |
It is much more important that you know about a crane that is 4.2km from the aerodrome reference point that is 233 feet high. |
Yep it true,
In a previous job I was authorised to issue notams for the airport I worked at and you are unable to submit a NOTAM for fuel! go figure. you would think it would be a responsible service to provide as well as reducing calls to the refuellers.... |
If the airfield is not registered or certified you CANNOT issue NOTAMS. The only way to get something into a NOTAM is to contact CASA who can then send it to AirServices. CASA rarely approves of issuing a NOTAM for something as minor as no fuel. We couldn't even get a NOTAM through about our main runway being closed for a day. Besides, not being able to fill up means you cannot fly and thus improves safety.
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Rutan Around, a quick visit to Specsavers may be in order.
Type in the location into NAIPS, and read the NOTAMS included.... AVGAS NOT AVBL FROM 05 030409 TO 05 170700 EST Due recognition must go to AOPA, and to the various RAPAC committees, and a couple of determined blokes in the background of CASA. There has been / is currently a joint effort to ensure that if a service published in ERSA as being available (such as fuel) is for some reason not available, then a NOTAM should be issued. |
Its been a long standing problem. Airservices always maintained that it was pilots responsibility to contact the relevant fuel agents to confirm availability of fuel. THe two exceptions were military or fuel supplies that could have affected emergency / disaster relief ops.
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Type in the location into NAIPS, and read the NOTAMS included.... AVGAS NOT AVBL FROM 05 030409 TO 05 170700 EST |
It's a curly one. MOS139, the Aerodrome operators regs, stipulate that non-safety critical issues are not normally subject to NOTAM (to avoid overloading the NOTAM system). As such fuel availability is not normally considered a NOTAM subject, as it is not safety critical. Like parts of aprons being unservicable. An annoyance certainly though. It also something that the AD operator is not directly responsible for so may not be immediately apparent there is a problem. That's why there is always a fuel contact number listed.
However, in the intro section of ERSA where the decode of the facilities is located is this: 29. HANDLING SERVICES AND FACILITIES 29.1 Replenishment facilities are listed using the following codes. The left hand column contains the code symbol, the main body gives a brief description and where applicable, finally (in brackets) the Australian designation. CAUTION: Due to changes without notice, accuracy of REPLEN entries under “Ground Services”, cannot be guaranteed. Airservices Australia takes no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of refuelling information. NOTAM will not be issued notifying changes. |
Traffic Is Er Was
NOTAM will not be issued notifying changes. |
It was probably just a brain explosion by someone who’s labouring under the misapprehension that passing on volunteered information via NOTAM might be a helpful service. Whoever it was will probably be ‘re-educated’. Airservices would be swamped by requests for NOTAMS that would assist a bunch of nobodies - you know, private citizens who pay tax. |
Back in the mid 90's I worked for a then full time Gliding Club at a licenced airfield that also had Avgas available for sale.
Once, due to various circumstances, we only had sufficient stock for Club use so I attempted to have a NOTAM issued saying that "Avgas was not available to itinerant aircraft until further notice." Upon calling whatever they were called at the time:rolleyes: and attempting to lodge the NOTAM I was told point blank that I could not do so as..... "it is the Pilot's responsibility to call ahead and....." They then hung up the phone!:mad: |
One of the many services that Airservices provides, quite efficiently, is an explanation of the services it does not provide. The reason Airservices has become quite efficient at explaining the services it doesn’t provide is the frequency with which naive people make requests for services reasonable people assume that Airservices would provide. |
There has been / is currently a joint effort to ensure that if a service published in ERSA as being available (such as fuel) is for some reason not available, then a NOTAM should be issued. |
One of the many services that Airservices provides, quite efficiently, is an explanation of the services it does not provide. The reason Airservices has become quite efficient at explaining the services it doesn’t provide is the frequency with which naive people make requests for services reasonable people assume that Airservices would provide. And he was not being facetious!:hmm: |
For me and the guys I fly with, this is a non event. Would you seriously lob into some outback airport needing fuel without calling the day prior to ensure that it is available?? Really???
NOTAM or not, I would always ensure that fuel is available. It is kinda basic management of your flight wouldn't you say?? |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10138705)
So if the local taxi breaks down, or the terminal toilet is blocked, a NOTAM is issued? They are sometimes listed in ERSA too.
I won’t ask you to quote any ERSA entry that mentions terminal toilets. You obviously haven’t spent much time, recently, flying in and out of many GA aerodromes - some of them even in and near capital cities. Or reading the ERSA entries for them. Where would you take a piss after landing at Parafield? Where, precisely? Maybe you’d hoped to confine your comments to taxis? If so, so what if Airservices published a NOTAM saying there is temporarily no taxi service to and from - hypotheticllly - YBKE? Is Airservices worried that an operational taxi service in Bourke is going to sue Airservices? |
Originally Posted by mustafagander
(Post 10138714)
For me and the guys I fly with, this is a non event. Would you seriously lob into some outback airport needing fuel without calling the day prior to ensure that it is available?? Really???
NOTAM or not, I would always ensure that fuel is available. It is kinda basic management of your flight wouldn't you say?? What if that outback airport has no one at the end of the phone??? LIke YLEC???? Wouldn’t it be helpful if a NOTAM were published noting that YLEC’s fuel bowser was inoperative, after an itinerant aircraft reported that the bowser was malfunctioning?????? |
From ERSA intro:
32. PASSENGER FACILITIES 32.1 The following codes are used for the display of PUBFAC data in ERSA: PT PUBLIC TELEPHONE LG PASSENGER LOUNGE TX TAXI RF REFRESHMENT HC HIRE CAR WC TOILETS BU BUS TO TOWN ME MAINTENANCE AC ACCOMMODATION RC RENTAL CAR One at random: BUNBURY YBUN PASSENGER FACILITIES WC Parafield doesn't list toilets under its Passenger Facilities. Therefore you shouldn't be surprised that there are none available. PS. YBKE doesn't list taxis are available, so Airservices won't need to issue a NOTAM if they are not. |
I take a roll of toilet paper when touring.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10138744)
Parafield doesn't list toilets under its Passenger Facilities. Therefore you shouldn't be surprised that there are none available. If you go through the gate on the eastern apron next to the Aerostar hangar, they are about a 30 second walk. |
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