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Lighty down in north east Tasmania
Has anyone heard anything of this ?
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Heard it may be a 182.
Pilot walked out to get help whilst female pax is in bad shape. |
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Lost a good friend yesterday in the C182 near Tomahawk. Appears to have been an over-run or overshoot incident. While both pilots, it was the passenger who walked out. Wishing him the best for his recovery in hospital.
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Looking at the satellite at a dirt airstrip (07/25) about a mile WSW of the village. Appears plenty long enough, without apparent obstacles.
Rego? |
Could have been some tricky winds at the time; late afternoon Sea "breeze" . Maybe wind shear.
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FarCU that is the wrong one. It is about two or three miles in an easterly direction, grass, it you didn't know where it is you wouldn't see it on google earth.
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Without disrespect to the deceased, ATSB lodged a notice on their website on Sunday the 31st December 2017 for VH-NOO. It is Sunday 21st 2018 and nothing has been raised for this case yet. Is this a local?
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Originally Posted by Blueyonda
(Post 10026540)
Without disrespect to the deceased, ATSB lodged a notice on their website on Sunday the 31st December 2017 for VH-NOO. It is Sunday 21st 2018 and nothing has been raised for this case yet. Is this a local?
The reality is that the general public would be googling the Sydney crash and looking for answers along with the news covering it heavily so the ATSB needs to be seen to be doing something. |
Without disrespect to the deceased, ATSB lodged a notice on their website on Sunday the 31st December 2017 for VH-NOO. It is Sunday 21st 2018 and nothing has been raised for this case yet. The reality is that the general public would be googling the Sydney crash and looking for answers along with the news covering it heavily so the ATSB needs to be seen to be doing something. |
C182P, VH-TSA. POB Sandra Southwell and partner Barry Brandsen.
(Both GA pilots and owners of the Skylane, according to Fairfax Media.) |
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Where do you start? No circuit, no precautionary approach and a vehicle on the runway trying to warn against landing. :sad:
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10062275)
Where do you start? No circuit, no precautionary approach and a vehicle on the runway trying to warn against landing. :sad:
The report found the pilot thought the driver was indicating where to land. |
The report doesn’t attribute fault. It does say the pilot assumed the wind on the ground would be the same as the wind at altitude. It says pilot noticed that his ground speed on approach was higher than normal. The pilot continued his approach with a vehicle on the runway. The pilot first touched down 433 metres into the runway with 284 metres remaining, bounced several times before applying power and colliding with terrain. The report found no fault with the aircraft.
Probably not much more to say. |
Originally Posted by mr flappy
(Post 10062298)
Why do yo feel the need to start?
And on an open forum? If just one person avoids rolling a plane into a ball after learning or heeding advice here it is worth it... |
If only all pprune posts were as respectful and professional as that between Mr flappy and kr. What a refreshing change.
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Final report out. Took over a year and didn’t add much to what was already out there. https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2018-008/ |
One interesting tidbit I found was the deceased passenger was using a booster seat.
As I regularly fly Mini-Me 1/2 (6 & 7 yrs old) in the RV, I use an inverted booster seat to raise his standard car seat high enough to clear the canopy sill so they can see out. In my case, the car seat is restrained by the standard Vans lapbelt through the approved path, with the aft restraint being picked up by the Vans shoulder harness cable in the baggage area, and the munchkin is in turn strapped securely into his 6 point harness in the car seat. This gives a nice, secure seat and it works well now but they're rapidly approaching the age where it won't, and this report has given me a bit of thinking to do about the best way to keep them safe...
Originally Posted by The ATSB
The passenger’s seat was found in the fully forward and raised position, and the occupant was seated with a supplemental cushion (also called a booster seat) behind her back and one on the seat base. The United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reported that as supplemental cushions are considered ‘carry-on’ items, they are not regulated.
When the FAA certifies a seat, a specific seat reference point (SRP) is identified, which relates the seat structure to the Anthropomorphic Test Dummy position during certification. If a manufacturer wants to alter the cushion on the seat it must maintain the SRP within an established tolerance, otherwise the seat will have to be re-certificated. When the occupant adds a supplemental cushion it moves them away from the nominal position, which changes how they flail with respect to their surroundings, as well as where their body is relative to the installed restraints. In this accident, the effect of the supplemental cushions moved the occupant’s body upwards and forwards. This put her at an increased risk of impacting the surrounding structure during the accident sequence. The use of supplemental cushions can also affect the occupant’s vertical acceleration relative to the seat structure increasing the risk of spinal injury. It could not be determined if this alteration from the nominal seating position increased the severity of the injuries sustained. By adding supplemental cushions, a short-statured pilot increases their flail envelope, which increases their injury potential. However, without the supplemental cushion they may have reduced visibility or may not be able to operate the flight controls effectively. |
booster seat In my younger days, I used a cushion to see over the dashboard in certain aircraft. Little did I know how dangerous that was! At least I could see where I was going! During my professional career, the aircraft I flew had adjustable seats! |
Interesting with regards to the booster seat observation/comment in the report. Being a vertically challenged pilot, I have had to routinely fly with a cushion under my backside or behind my back in some GA aircraft including the Robbie R22. I also required pedal extensions/blocks in the Aero Commander. I can see some CASA FOIs and AWIs sharpening up their pencils in anticipation of issuing NCNs for non approved seat cushions. |
this report has given me a bit of thinking to do about the best way to keep them safe. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...C_23_562-1.pdf https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/23.562 |
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