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Ultralights -
Someone should point those facts out to the insurers. Then maybe new people would not find it so hard to get work.... |
More leaks than the plumbing in a rental property?
I was recently informed 3rd-hand of the alleged cause of this accident and it seems very believable and aligns exceptionally well with the initial evidence in the report. Before I sprout out from the tree-tops, is this common knowledge and everyone knows but it wasn't posted here, or did someone speak out of turn? |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
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I was recently informed 3rd-hand of the alleged cause of this accident It may well be true. Then again, maybe not.:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Squawk7700
(Post 10133243)
Before I sprout out from the tree-tops, is this common knowledge and everyone knows but it wasn't posted here, or did someone speak out of turn?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/passenger-blamed-for-fatal-seaplane-crash-in-hawkesbury/news-story/df5fe37012a75176b19e08c9d55dcbad “The investigation has shown that safety is good and it’s actually believed to not be pilot error,” Mr Schwartz said. “The current belief is the passenger at the front actually knocked out the pilot.” The imagined scenario involved the passenger moving about to take photographs of the river and accidentally striking the pilot in the head with his elbow. Ends Could this scenario be a world first? Mjb |
I had heard some time ago that the pilot was caught on video footage slumped over the controls but then I read that there was no video captured. How they worked that out is a mystery if it’s true! |
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That is why you need an AOC to take pictures from an aircraft and a new regulation prohibiting photography from the front seats. |
Jesus wept Sunfish - we most definitely do not need AOC's and more regulations!
Christ - next we will require pilots to wear bone domes and yellow safety vests inside the aeroplane with markings on their skull saying "DO NOT HIT HERE"! The accident is a tragedy - of that there is no question - but imposing regulation to deal with the random event - notwithstanding the fact that it lead to deaths - is so Australian and yet so stupid |
The article I read said that it was one of the (new?) owners of the business said that it was possibly caused by the pax, but the London article says that investigators think that is what happened. With no updates or press releases on the ATSB website, one would assume this is hearsay at best. Unless there’s another link somewhere... |
Jesus wept Sunfish - we most definitely do not need AOC's and more regulations! |
I don't think anyone gets sarcasm here, anymore... For the record; I have never met Sunfish and wouldn't know him even if I tripped over him in a bar somewhere, but even I would have assumed from his post that he was being sarcastic, and even facetious!:= ''You are old Father Pinky, the young Man said and your hair has gone rather white..":sad: |
Difficult to tell with Sunnies posts. They go from one extreme to the other! :confused: Generally in line with the moon phase. :E |
Pinky and Jo, yes you are probably right and I owe Sunnie an apology, the difficulty these days is picking the sarcastic comments from the one who genuinely believe we need to wrap everyone in bubble wrap. As it happens I was having a day of dealing with redundant bull**** when that post came up, my level of tolerance for regulation and associated horsehit was (and still is) fairly low :) |
it was meant in jest, sorry. |
Sunfish, my sincerest apologies for my exasperated post.. |
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ATSB notification of Interim report:
https://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/new...lane-accident/ Full interim report here: https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2017-118/ ABC news story here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...vered/10638526 What I find perplexing here is that the aircraft had already passed Jerusalem Bay and was established on normal tracking towards Rose Bay. It seems very odd that an approximately 180 degree turn was made back towards JB from overhead Little Shark Rock Pt. I have often wondered whether momentary disorientation was a possible causal factor leading to a left hand turn into JB after take off rather than following the Hawkesbury to the east. It seems we now have proof that a left turn after take off was not made. Perhaps we will never know why the aircraft made the 180 degree turn back west into a dead end bay? Its now nearly a year since this awful accident...my thoughts go out to those affected by the tragedy. PG |
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So is there anything in Sydney Seaplane’s new shareholder a few month back blaming the passengers for creating the accident by ‘knocking the pilot out’ whilst taking a photo? |
Has the proponent of the knock-out theory actually consulted experts in the matter, as one does in matters outside one's own expertise ? The people able to give an opinion about the ease or difficulty of knocking out an adjacent seated person with an elbow would be trained martial artists who use their skills in a practical way, ie., Police and experienced bouncers with high gradings, street experience and martial arts instructional experience as opposed to those with merely club and competition backgrounds.
The answers would likely come back .. 'very difficult' to accidentally achieve both sufficient force and to get the right spot. I think the photograper's accidental elbow idea would ultimately be given a low probability. Looking at it from the left seat, I once had a bull session with a mate who was similarly curious about how to KO a right seat pax, as we both regarded that need as being one of those 1:10000 scenarios that could one day come up. We both had martial arts experience and try as we might, we concluded that doing it deliberately was virtually impossible, so we refined Plan B (irrelevant here). An accidental elbow while taking pics is not going to be an explanation. |
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