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Acrosport II 22nd Jul 2017 13:12

US Aircraft Carrier & Light Aircraft in Australian Waters
 
There is a US Aircraft Carrier due in BNE port tomorrow.


They have Notamed a no fly zone over the BNE River where it will be berthed.


I'm trying to find out how close Light aircraft are able to fly to them in Australian waters, while it sails in via Morton Bay.


The best I found out is 1nm (from an unofficial source). But I would think that is too close.


Anyone point me to any regs, etc on the subject.


The Notam only restricts flying over an approximate 5nm stretch of the BNE River while its docked. (unless prior notice).


Id love to see it from the air. Although it may arrive at any time.

le Pingouin 22nd Jul 2017 13:33

Depends how well done you like your sweetbreads?

Ascend Charlie 22nd Jul 2017 23:10

On the photos you take, have a look how many gun barrels are pointing at you...

Flying Binghi 23rd Jul 2017 00:04


Originally Posted by Acrosport II (Post 9838713)
There is a US Aircraft Carrier due in BNE port tomorrow.


They have Notamed a no fly zone over the BNE River where it will be berthed.


I'm trying to find out how close Light aircraft are able to fly to them in Australian waters, while it sails in via Morton Bay.


The best I found out is 1nm (from an unofficial source). But I would think that is too close.


Anyone point me to any regs, etc on the subject.


The Notam only restricts flying over an approximate 5nm stretch of the BNE River while its docked. (unless prior notice).


Id love to see it from the air. Although it may arrive at any time.

Yanks usually fire warning shots. So when yer see some tracer go by yer window just pull back a mile and ya should be right..... :E






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troppo 23rd Jul 2017 00:26

I'm taking odds on this being merged to the Darwin Awards thread by tomorrow. :}

Clinton McKenzie 23rd Jul 2017 01:51

I remember 'back in the day' doing a Sydney Harbour Scenic flight that included orbits to the East of the Harbour Bridge. Those orbits happened to be over a US aircraft carrier with about a dozen F14s on the deck. All ops normal.

Aussie Bob 23rd Jul 2017 02:58

I would say that you could safely go within the legal allowed, that would be 500' (or 1000' if you call the carrier "populated").

I would also argue that what is supposedly the most advanced navy in the world would know who you were, where you had come from, what your likely intentions were and what was legally permissible in Australia, long before you arrived on upon the scene.

That said, I am not testing the theory!

717tech 23rd Jul 2017 03:17

Fly Neighbourly FN22 from ERSA. There's also a NOTAM that pops up occasionally regarding close proximity to Warships.

Machinbird 23rd Jul 2017 05:47

Remember that a Carrier is a mobile airport and it has a control tower.
They may occasionally be doing helicopter operations while in port.
If they do fly, they will coordinate with local ATC.

Acrosport II 23rd Jul 2017 08:30


Originally Posted by 717tech (Post 9839230)
Fly Neighbourly FN22 from ERSA. There's also a NOTAM that pops up occasionally regarding close proximity to Warships.


Spot on thanks 717tech.

Surprisingly it is worded as 'should' rather than 'Must not'.

Also thought they would state the limit in the Notam. The Notam only specified a Restricted Area of the BNE river requiring 1Hr PN before transiting, where it was berthed, not while sailing in.

Cheers.

drpixie 23rd Jul 2017 09:07

Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.

Aussie Bob 23rd Jul 2017 09:22


Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.
Yeah yeah, but it has to arrive at the CTA boundary before it is in CTA. Until then there is only NOTAMs

Spode 23rd Jul 2017 09:34

Someone gave this reply to my question on FB:

"Pilots of civil aircraft
and helicopters should avoid warships by 5NM laterally
above 2000FT vertically wherever possible"

AIP Sup H107/17

Acrosport II 23rd Jul 2017 09:37


Originally Posted by drpixie (Post 9839413)
Engage brain - the entire area is within Brisbane CTZ (SFC-3500), so you'll need a clearance. The question is really "will I be given a clearance over the boat below 1500'?" - no.


Perhaps it would be prudent for you to 'Engage brain' before posting.

Especially as you did not have the answer.

Read the OP and get your charts out, study your charts, and then apologise for your arrogant reply.

Better yet, if you do not know the answer, or have any clue. Don't post. :ugh:

Acrosport II 23rd Jul 2017 13:11

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le Pingouin 23rd Jul 2017 17:29

Your problem is shooting down a Russian fighter has potentially serious consequences for the US, like war. Shooting down an LSA with potentially terroristic tendencies just costs them an apology and money. Oops, sorry.


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