Air NZ SOPs regarding allowed number of approaches
Quick question for any Air NZ drivers here.
"What's the current SOP / Policy regarding the number of approaches that can be made before diverting"? Always thought it was two. Any updates? Exceptions? Hard and fast policy?? |
No such SOP on my fleet at least. One would hope common sense would prevail
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Many thanks V_A.
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No SOP on that, check the manuals.
Also dependent on the fuel loaded! |
Thanks DeltaT. Yes - obviously subject to fuel.
I know there's a 2 approach limit in the event of a comms failure (and you have to start your 2nd approach withing 1/2 hour of your expected ETA), but looks like my memory failed me with regards to the rest. Not sure if it's never been an SOP or if it changed at some point. Can definitely remember reading it somewhere, just not sure where (not what it applied to). |
The comms failure procedure you speak of is outlined in the NZAIP rather than an Airline specific SOP. ENR 1.15 - 8 Diversion
I'm familiar with a few Airlines who have a requirement to divert after 2 unsuccessful approaches, although even then, the PIC can exercise their authority to conduct a 3rd. Personally, I'm not a fan of trying to create SOP's in place of good airmanship. |
Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 9649107)
The comms failure procedure you speak of is outlined in the NZAIP rather than an Airline specific SOP. ENR 1.15 - 8 Diversion
I'm familiar with a few Airlines who have a requirement to divert after 2 unsuccessful approaches, although even then, the PIC can exercise their authority to conduct a 3rd. Personally, I'm not a fan of trying to create SOP's in place of good airmanship. |
An interesting question to which I do not know the answer but I am aware that there is a growing trend in Europe for some airlines that an approach cannot even be commenced if the weather is below minimums and recently watched a Youtube video of a chap in a DA42 shooting an ILS into Linate who explained that he could only continue the approach beyond the outer marker because the weather was reported as above minimums. There is also plenty of statistical data that the risk of CFIT goes up on the second and subsequent approaches - getinitis rearing its ugly head.
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No approach bans in Australia. If you want to have a look there's nothing stopping you, regardless of the weather.
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Haven't checked on 121, but for 135:
135.157 Cannot commence a flight if ETA is below landing minima 135.159 Can't go past final approach fix, or if none, after procedure turn, if Viz is below landing 135.161 Can't depart if no landing alternate within 1hr on single engine |
No approach bans in Australia. If you want to have a look there's nothing stopping you, regardless of the weather. |
Wouldn't surprise me if a rule change has left me behind.
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DeltaT, Parts 121 and 135 don't exist yet in Australia. The bits you mentioned for Part 135 are proposed rules only.
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 9649504)
DeltaT, Parts 121 and 135 don't exist yet in Australia. The bits you mentioned for Part 135 are proposed rules only.
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Yes sorry, I thought he was referring to the comments about approach bans in Australia.
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