Lead Balloon, seriously? Here is Walter Atkinson's list of flight regimes conducive to icing, "in order of frequency of occurence"...
A) Startup ...and you say it is accurate for the USA...B) Take-off and climb C) Cruise D) Power reduction for landing I think you'll find that Mr Atkinson comes from a country in which the spectrum of weather conditions is a little wider than in Australia, resulting in his list of comparable probabilities being accurate. The relatively benign weather conditions in the 'lucky country' just mean the conditions for carby icing usually (and luckily) arise more probably at reduced power settings for landing, compared with other phases. |
the warrior has the inlet manifold and carb built into the sump which perhaps provides some warmth, in a C172 the carb hangs out. I have only had carb ice once - when given clear for takeoff, I pushed the throttle and the c152 stalled, most embarrassing. I generally remember to apply carb heat, removing it not so much.
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If you had any interest in aviation safety, oggers, you'd understand why it's important for pilots everywhere on the planet to understand the underlying reasons for the list of probabilities set out by Mr Atkinson (and the operational practice in the UK to which ChrisJ8900 referred). Then pilots would be more likely to use carby heat on the basis of the risks in the specific operational circumstances in which they find themselves, rather than on the basis of rote-learned, one-size-fits-all procedures.
But as you seem to be obsessed on other things, I ask again: Please troll elsewhere. :ok: |
the warrior has the inlet manifold and carb built into the sump which perhaps provides some warmth, in a C172 the carb hangs out. I have only had carb ice once - when given clear for takeoff, I pushed the throttle and the c152 stalled, most embarrassing. I generally remember to apply carb heat, removing it not so much. The C152 is very susceptible to carb icing while taxying when compared to other aircraft. |
I'm a little skeptical on the diagnosis of carby ice for this flight. So they had ice, cleared it, applied power, headed home, did a couple of go-arounds and then ice builds up again on downwind at cruise power? Sounds a bit strange, although I note that it says that no other fault was found. Surely this must be a big issue up there in similar weather? If icing was so likely that day, I'd have thought other aircraft in the circuit may have experienced the same issues. |
I've experienced plenty of instances of carb icing in C150/C152's. Particularly prone to it on start-up on a cold morning, esp inland from the coast. Also had it whilst idling in the run-up bay doing checks etc. Also as 27/09 says, can also happen during taxying and be careful if you're stuck at the holding point too long on a cold morning or you may have a repeat of Sunfish's experience!
It's a good learning experience if a student is on board under the above circumstances, as it allows them to see 1st hand the symptoms and what happens when corrective measures are taken, engine instrument indications etc, rather than just reading about it. |
Investigation: AO-2015-079 - Collision with terrain involving a Glasair SH-2FT, VH-HRG near Wedderburn Airport, NSW on 19 July 2015
A timely report on the subject...... |
Lead Balloon
If you had any interest in aviation safety, oggers, you'd understand why it's important for pilots everywhere on the planet to understand the underlying reasons for the list of probabilities set out by Mr Atkinson |
. On the reality of which model is susceptible to icing. The most savage installation for carbie ice at any temp if the humidity is up is the 0-200 installation in a Cassutt III. The induction of this system just produces icing that would result in full loss of power on takeoff..and just as quickly restoring power the instant heat is applied. The exact same engine install in a C150 never gets icing at any power setting at the exact same time and aerodrome as the Cassutt.
.....basically, agree with everything IFEZ says(Edit to add) The instructor is best to impart some wise gen to anyone they train or check as a matter of course if a particular model they fly exhibits icing in specific conditions. By rote or by experience...which has the best educational outcome? |
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